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    • ChrisC
      Chris
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      I keep telling you, you need to run more on trails.  It's prettier, less likely to get you run over by an idiot paying more attention to their cell phone than the road, and it's less impact stress on your knees.

      Might want to go to a specialty running store and get a gait analysis done to make sure you don't have any biomechanical issues that are causing pain.

      Beyond that, I'm not sure what to suggest.  Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've never really had much knee pain, even after multiple days in a row of running.

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      • nurunuruN
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        I would recommend getting younger.  That seems to help most people.

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        • DougNgD
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          @Chris The trails in my neighborhood are occupied by the local drug dealers, and I would prefer not to smoke them if I don't have to.

          @nurunuru  😃

          I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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          • atm23A
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            @DougNg It could also be your footwear. I wear Hokas which helped tremendously alleviating the after effects!

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            • DougNgD
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              Yeah, I think I'm going to get evaluated next time I need to get sneakers. I'm currently wearing Mizuno Wave Rider 21s

              They're adequate, although they don't last more than 250 miles for me

              I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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              • ChrisC
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                Oooh, I love me some Wave Riders.  I've been wearing them forever- my first pair was the WR 6.

                You're right about the durability, though.  200-250 seems to be about it for me, too.

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                • nurunuruN
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                  I've taken to running barefoot on the treadmill.  Soles are still looking in pretty good shape after several miles 🙂  Outside it's typically minimalist sandals or Altra running shoes.

                  I used to get injured after just a few miles when running in "traditional" running shoes.  Then I transferred to zero drop (with wide toe box), changed up my gait to a fairly quick forefoot strike, and ran a marathon about a half-year later.

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                  • UnTuckedU
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                    Yeah, i'm a minimalist guy as well, specifically I run FiveFingers KSO Evos. I just got a fresh pair delivered yesterday.

                    After going through about 10 or so pairs or sneakers during my time in the Army, I could never get past constant arch pain and shin splints. When I got out of the Army, I immediately switched to Fivefingers and have never had shin splints since. I'm slower, but can run farther than before with no pain.

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                    • nurunuruN
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                      Nice.  It's kinda mental to me how unnatural footwear is still dominating the market for both leisure and sports.  Guess that's the power of advertising.

                      I remember reading a few years back that the US Army had banned the use of FiveFingers and all "toe shoes," just because of how they look.  It's a funny old world.

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                      • UnTuckedU
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                        Yeah, the Army has always been very "form over function".

                        ***Anyone else who wears minimalist shoes for running notice that running in them feels completely natural, but forefoot walking is very awkward…

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                        • DougNgD
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                          I've worn Fivefingers for casual wear for years. It actually makes total sense that the Army banned all toes shoes. Try walking on gravel in them…

                          Or a pile of brass, did that once...ONCE

                          I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                          • UnTuckedU
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                            @DougNg:

                            I've worn Fivefingers for casual wear for years. It actually makes total sense that the Army banned all toes shoes. Try walking on gravel in them…

                            Or a pile of brass, did that once...ONCE

                            It was only because they considered them "trendy"… the was also a time when you could only wear white socks that came alive the ankle, and your sneakers had to be considered not flashy in appearance (no colorful shoes).

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                            • nurunuruN
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                              @UnTucked:

                              @DougNg:

                              I've worn Fivefingers for casual wear for years. It actually makes total sense that the Army banned all toes shoes. Try walking on gravel in them…

                              Or a pile of brass, did that once...ONCE

                              It was only because they considered them "trendy"… the was also a time when you could only wear white socks that came alive the ankle, and your sneakers had to be considered not flashy in appearance (no colorful shoes).

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                              Yep.  This quote is from the Washington Post article on the matter.  It seems to be presented as a verbatim release from the Army.

                              "There are a variety of minimalist running shoes available for purchase and wear. Effective immediately, only those shoes that accommodate all five toes in one compartment are authorized for wear. Those shoes that feature five separate, individual compartments for the toes, detract from a professional military image and are prohibited for wear with the IPFU or when conducting physical training in military formation."

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                              • GilesG
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                                Do they do a 4 finger version?

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                • UnTuckedU
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                                  I'm sure they'll be happy to accommodate if you threaten to sue them for amputee discrimination lol

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                                  • BloodnThunderB
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                                    Five fingers and the like can be really good as supplemental footwear or for LSD (long, slow distance) but using them as your primary shoe when you have a structured training plan which includes track intervals, thresholds, and tempos is something I would strongly advise against.

                                    At the end of the day I just look at what the top runners in the world are wearing in training.  It's a combination of mid-weight trainers with mild support on most base mileage days and lightweight racing flats for workouts (occasionally spikes for track work).

                                    IG: Shadesofindig0

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                                    • DougNgD
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                                      I stand corrected.

                                      I personally like the Five Fingers. They were really comfortable walking around all day.

                                      My buddy at work (who is formerly an orthopedic surgeon and still an avid runner) says that I am just overtraining.

                                      Which is cool, anything worth doing is worth overdoing 🙂

                                      I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                      • ChrisC
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                                        You'll feel differently after that first stress fracture. 😉

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                                        • M
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                                          @DougNg:

                                          Yeah, I think I'm going to get evaluated next time I need to get sneakers. I'm currently wearing Mizuno Wave Rider 21s

                                          They're adequate, although they don't last more than 250 miles for me

                                          This seems ridiculously low. I wear New Balance 1080 as my standard running shoes (I also have NB Zante for a bit of speed) and I will get 600 miles minimum out of a pair. My current pair are heading towards 750 and feel fine, there is no excessive wear or tear anywhere and the midsole still seems to have adequate cushion and bounce.

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                                          • N
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                                            From the run today, at Hall Ranch- Lyons, Colorado.

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