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    • BridgerB
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      For one of the world’s most over-specified sports, I would have thought the FIA could/would have dictated circuit requirements to venues.

      I mean, Qatar could spare a few more foreign workers to replace the gravel. 🤷🏻♂

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      • WhiskeySandwichW
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        “Hey grab the biggest rock you can find for a photo.” 😂. Surely the FIA has specs and requirements for the gravel at F1 tracks. They have specs for absolutely everything, including the apparent safety threshold for the exact number of laps you’re at increased risk of gravel puncture.

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        "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
        -Seneca

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        • BridgerB
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          Next victim to end their F1 career...

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          • mclaincauseyM
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            Clearly you want there to be a conspiracy for some reason but I am not aware of any hard enforcement. I found this “recommendation” and the gravel didn’t meet it: “They are normally about 25cm deep and filled with spherical gravel stones of a diameter of between 5 and 16 millimeters.

            These specifications have been drawn up because they have been calculated to give the best frictional resistance possible, needed to stop a skidding and out of control F1 car.”

            Let me ask: what would be the rationale for the conspiracy anyway? To make a bad circuit even worse for what? An even more processional race that is less entertaining?

            Think it, be it.

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            • WhiskeySandwichW
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              I'm just giving a hard time where a hard time is due. It's not directed at you @mclaincausey and it's not a "conspiracy". I'm simply saying the rule is as silly as the people making it It doesn't help using rocks as scapegoats for some phantom danger via punctures. If I were a racing driver, I'd be more concerned about being hit in the visor with one of those asteroids.

              High tire deg, and aggressive kerbs aside, if the FIA were to say "We need to establish a regulation for trackside gravel that we overlooked, in the meantime, the best we can come up with is 25 lap recommendation." it'd probably go over better....although many teams would probably ignore it. They don't have a limit otherwise afaik, and slices thru a tire is a one-off and unpredictable occurrence that lap count has zero bearing on.

              I'm always skeptical about the necessity of creating new rules that appear arbitrary and disproportionate to the supposed risk. I choose to be critical of regulations and restrictions or mandates that seem inappropriate in their justification. I guess our opinion just differs on the proportionality between freedom/flexibility and regulation/safety, and that's okay, we can agree to disagree.

              "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
              -Seneca

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              • WhiskeySandwichW
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                @Bridger no doubt it will spell his doom. I think RB just wants two Max's

                "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                -Seneca

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                • BridgerB
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                  @WhiskeySandwich said in Motor Sport:

                  @Bridger no doubt it will spell his doom. I think RB just wants two Max's

                  If two Max's were ever in the same room together a black hole would form and everything in a 3 km radius would disintegrate.

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                  • BridgerB
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                    Bummed that Yuki is off the grid though. Was looking forward to seeing his fans go nuts next March in Suzuka.

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                    • WhiskeySandwichW
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                      @Bridger LOL
                      Yeah I always liked Yuki, but when he joined RB proper, he kinda counterintuitively was not really in the spotlight. Of course this is because he was overshadowed by the champ, and compared to all the other #2s, but i haven't noticed them showing him much. Shame he wont have a seat. Hadjar will probably be exactly the same.

                      "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                      -Seneca

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                      • BridgerB
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                        I think if RB continue to configure both cars to suit Max then the 2nd driver is always going to be fucked. I wonder the pros and cons for RB to offer both drivers cars that suit them individually and whether that would positively or negatively impact their constructors results.

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                        • WhiskeySandwichW
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                          @Bridger I've been assuming that is the case but have they confirmed the cars favor Max at the expense of the #2? I've always wondered how different the cars can actually be. I know they run various downforce, suspension settings, wing settings, etc from session to session, but i have no idea how customizable per driver they are in reality. whatever RB is doing, its DEF negatively impacting their WCC results. Max is carrying them all. I guess i wonder how much is him and how much is the car favoring just him.

                          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                          -Seneca

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                          • goosehdG
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                            @WhiskeySandwich I watched an analysis of Red Bull's car and Max's driving style confirming that the car is designed for him. From what I recall, he prefers a tight on rails front end and a loose rear end where it's always on the verge of breaking loose. This allows him to aggressively attack the corners and maximize speed coming out of them.

                            The problem is that it's barely controllable for Max and at one point was even too much for him. The other driver's don't have fast enough reflexes to recover as well as he does creating a lot of problems. They have to drive slower and not push the car as hard to keep it under control.

                            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                            • WhiskeySandwichW
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                              @goosehd maybe they need more sims lol

                              "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                              -Seneca

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                When you’re a good as Max, I presume you benefit from a car that is extremely responsive. When you aren’t, it amplifies your imperfection.

                                It seems to me they don’t need to tailor the car to the greatest driver in the world. Just make it within 5% of the field and the guy will win and his teammate might get some points too.

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • WhiskeySandwichW
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                                  I agree with that ☝️

                                  Now if only they could make a car good enough to afford that wiggle room without sacrificing their first driver. I think they had that when Checo was peaking, then fell off

                                  "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                  -Seneca

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                                  • WhiskeySandwichW
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                                    Maybe the new regs will fix that issue of floors/ride heights making the car so finicky and they can focus on a consistent balance more

                                    "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                    -Seneca

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                                    • goosehdG
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                                      @WhiskeySandwich It will be interesting to see how the next season progresses. Hopefully it will not be another season of cars porpoising uncontrollably and that the adaptations to competitiveness is quick.

                                      "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                      • WhiskeySandwichW
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                                        @goosehd yeah I wanna see good battles first and foremost. What I dont want to see is more bizarre wings from around the 2018 era lol

                                        "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                        -Seneca

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                                        • WhiskeySandwichW
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                                          Speaking of good battles, I really hope they figure a way to fix the race to the apex issue with the rules. I can’t think of anything on that one other than punishing contact or forcing off track more severely

                                          It kinda blows my mind that something like that is rarely much worse a penalty than a false start, track limits, cutting, or passing off track. Like ocon got a 10 second stop go because they dropped his car? I might have my details wrong tho

                                          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                          -Seneca

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                                          • goosehdG
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                                            @mclaincausey I would love to see Lewis put back into a car that is competitive with a competent management team. Exceptional driver who has lost his confidence in his ability compounded by a mediocre car and a horrible management team. He could and should do so much better than he is.

                                            Lando I feel is a very good driver in an excellent car with a mediocre management team. He has potential to grow as long as he stays out of his head and his team makes the right decisions.

                                            Max is an exceptional driver, good car, and good management team. His attribute is he know’s what it takes and isn’t afraid to challenge the team to do better or question their calls.

                                            "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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