WESCO
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Wondering if anyone with British tan domaine engineers can comment on the thickness and stiffness of the leather compared to CXL or horsehide leather
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@Pinkpan Love the boots and the bike
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@bluemantra I have 3 pairs of rough out. Ironshop provisions which is the thickest heaviest I’ve ever worn. The shop Vancouver which is a middle ground, what I’d expected of a rough out, similar to the thickness of cxl and then the British tan are insanely supple. The inside is an actual smooth leather in the shaft so it’s much more comfortable off the bat. It’s a great pair.
I’d say they’re softer than your standard cxl and the break in time is effectively none, at least for me. I can’t comment on the horsehide, I’ve yet to have any. One day…
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@bluemantra side by side horsehide and British tan.
Only my feeling but the the horsehide seems more soft than the BT.
You can see the shaft felt on the Morrison and is nice and straight on the boss.
On the other hand even if the BT is more rigid it seems to stretch more easily and is more forgiving than the horsehide that is soft but doesn’t stretch much.
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@Pinkpan so the boss pair is rough out BT? I was concerned about the shaft becoming to floppy with British tan, but that’s not the case?
On the Morrison with the shaft flopping is that an issue when wearing them or do they straighten out?
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@hgering27 totally agree on the ISP Roughout. They have been a beast to break in, and I’m still not quite there yet.
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@SourPower so I know not everyone is about doing this, but I filled mine with warm water for 30 minutes and wore until they dried and the difference was night and day. I believe the double layer midsole adds to the rough break in, but that roughout is thicccccccck
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@hgering27 I appreciate that insight, I’ve definitely considered the hot water stretch on these, but was worried that it would mess up the texture of the leather. Did you notice any issues after it dried out?
I find this pair to be tight along the top of my foot, and agree that the double sole is contributing to the stiffness. Fantastic boots otherwise!
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@SourPower I didnt notice any difference at all, literally none. the roughout is definitely really durable. the only thing that happened was the edging ran off a little, but i just used some edge dressing and then I actually waxed the midsoles. I have a really high instep, so the break in period is especially brutal, but after the soak and then some daily wear theyve been perfect and no pain anymore. I dont use the insoles yet, but I imagine at some point I will be able to
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Short Stacks soaking up the sun - Freshly conditioned!
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@SourPower do you have mr lou to compare to the short stack shaft? I'm looking at doing a custom order, but thinking about going with a similar build except with a mr lou shaft circumference.
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@bluemantra I hope these photos help! The first one is deceiving because of the perspective with the Lou in the background- in reality the Short Stacks are actually smaller in diameter! I always assumed they had a larger opening because of the boss configuration, but was surprised to find out that they are smaller when measured with a tape. I have to assume some of this is attributed to the handmade nature of these products, as well as the difference in thicknesses between Horween CXL and Maryam Horsebutt.
Mr Lou 11.5E shaft circumference = 39.5cm
Short Stack 11.5E shaft circumference = 38cm
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@SourPower very helpful and very interesting results. I tightened my short stack top strap all the way and thought it looked really small as is. I wonder if the height matters as well. Looks like the taller engineers have an upward flair.
I'm wanting the short stack in british tan or a brown leather, but wouldn't want the shaft any larger due to the jeans I wear.
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@bluemantra If you go full custom, the shaft diameter is something that you can request.
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@goosehd yeah, i think i'm going to order an 8" boss with the shaft 1" smaller in diameter like the mr lou.
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@bluemantra One thing you really need to consider going full custom is that for every alteration that you make, you are potentially making it more difficult to resell the boots later. The other issue is that customs inevitably cost more than off the shelf and you are very unlikely to get those extra costs back.
I have jeans that work great over my engineers, and some that don’t. In those instances, I just pick a different jean for the day. Pick a boot and style that works best with what you like to wear.
This is all assuming you haven’t went the custom route before…if you have, then you may have already experienced this.
Just my $.02 and trying to be helpful.
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@goosehd trust me i've been agonizing over this before clicking the purchase button. Not to mention the wait time being 18 months.
I like the short stack olive boss engineers i have.
I want a brown pair. I want the wedge sole. this leaves me with going the custom route to get what i want. I don't like heeled boots. i've figured that out with trial and error.
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@bluemantra …18 months is an estimate (Wesco) and I believe they are taking much longer than that.
My last pair of Wesco’s was closer to 2 years. I have a pair of Zerrows that are currently at the one year waiting mark, and my last pair of Lofgrens were about 14-15 months.
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@goosehd yeah, that's a long time. I spoke with Bruce from Wesco and he said they've hired more people and they're making more boots a day and the time has been coming down.