Ship John

[GraemeE]

@Mizmazzle the soak takes it down a bit but it's still awkwardly high

I've owned probably half a dozen of their hats over the years and with wear they all settle down.

The catch 22 is putting in repeated wears on a hat that looks a little "off" for the first month

[Mizmazzle]

@GraemeE good to know. That’s for the heads up!

Get it….HEADS UP!!

[bluemantra]

I got mine today and man I think it's too tall.

[GraemeE]

Hopefully this is a helpful reference on size.
Both models start out roughly the same height and shape.
Sashiko has been hot soaked and worn for 2 days
Broken twill is straight out of the box

[GraemeE]

This (formerly black) twill had the same awkwardly high crown when I got it around 3 years ago

Moral of the story is that you only have to feel like Pharrell Williams at the Grammys until you get the hat broken in and the fabric starts to relax

[bluemantra]

That’s helpful. Are the hats with foam and with foam different in height?

[GraemeE]

@bluemantra I "think" they are all the same size.

The only difference I remember is that the waxed (no foam) canvas hats they used to offer seemed shallower from the get go

[Danimal506]

@GraemeE From my experience with their hats, this makes sense to me too. I wear one of their woodland Camo hats and it fits great. I noticed that the widows peak area of all SJ hats is a bit tall. Even on the waxed hat, it’s just the waxed hat collapses unlike the foam.
I have a duck mesh trucker with foam that sits high on my head and has not relaxed, but I get used the feel of it after wearing it for a little. I think they look great, even with a bit of height in the crown.

Also that Pharrell reference was spot on

[Mizmazzle]

@GraemeE when soaked the hat did you soak the brim too? Mine arrive today.

[Kasi]

Mine was meant come today lazy UPS coming tomorrow

[GraemeE]

@Mizmazzle I left the brim out of the hot water

[Danimal506]

I asked Mike in a Ship John Live on Instagram about the sturdiness of the brim post soak. He said he soaked the brim of the test hat and that it “feels the same as the brand new one”.

But I know hats with cardboard brims could get ruined by soaking them. I did not ask what the brims are made out of.

[Mizmazzle]

@Danimal506 Good info! I agree...I've ruined hats before by getting the brim too wet. I'll probably play it safe and keep that dry.

[GraemeE]

I think the move toward the super high crown on trucker hats in the 70s/early 80s (which SJ models their hats after) was a function of wanting more space for printed advertising.

If I'm not mistaken @popvulture works in advertising so technically we can blame his people

[Mizmazzle]

Hahah…

Side note…wish the SJ hats had a leather adjustment strap instead of the plastic adjuster.

[GraemeE]

@Mizmazzle funny you would say that because I'm considering canabalizing one of the straps and brass mechanisms off an ebbets hat I rarely wear

[Mizmazzle]

@GraemeE that sounds like a nice upgrade

[popvulture]

@GraemeE blame away! I dislike the field of villainous charlatans more than most, haha

[popvulture]

Also that origin story for trucker hats is true afaik

[Danimal506]

Since we’re (sort of) on the topic of the origin of the SJ hat profile/fit. I just saw this on their instagram