Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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@BloodnThunder good to know. Something to look forward to!
Arm was pretty sore yesterday, but that seems to be about it. Again, pretty normal for intramuscular injections in my experience. As @ROman said below, the government is paying for the vaccine itself, though you still may be charged for the administration of it depending on who your provider is. With the way the US healthcare system is, that would probably end up being a couple of hundred dollars. I’d like to say that’s a joking exaggeration…
I am very sorry to those of you who have lost loved ones, or had covid yourself. It seems like six degrees of separation here, in that a few months ago it was your sisters friends grandmoms friends son who had it, and now I’d guess most of us know someone directly effected. I am even more sorry because I feel it didn’t have to be like this.
I didn’t note in my original post, but they did ask about allergies, and not just to medications. We had to sit for 15 minutes after as well. I would hope that by the time someone were old enough to get the Covid vaccine (16 or 18 depending on which one), they would have been exposed to enough potential allergens to have some idea of how they would react. Ironically I had several allergies pre cancer that weren’t there post treatment. That was odd.
Part of my misgiving was that it does seem quick to have a vaccine out. I initially thought it could be as long as several years. The speed is a testament to technology and that study into vaccines against coronaviruses (SARS and MERS) has been underway since the early 2000’s. So while it does seem quick, there had already been a lot of work done on vaccines for very similar viruses. I can certainly see and understand people being wary about how quickly the vaccines have come around.
In the US, I’d certainly say that politics and ones political beliefs impact the likelihood of vaccination. If you don’t believe the coronavirus is real, then there’s nothing to get vaccinated against, right? The president has done nothing to help, constantly undercutting advice from his own experts whether by words or by behavior (not wearing a mask for instance). And as we saw on Wednesday, they are definitely listening.
Anyway, just some thoughts. I appreciate the discussion. Since I am fortunate enough to get vaccinated so early, I am trying to talk about my experience with people so they can make a decision for themselves when the times comes. -
Trying to convince people of something when they know nothing is much easier than trying to convince people of something when they already think they know.
Exactimundo.
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So as we are discussing being informed, not informed, or otherwise, who are the arbitors of this information? Who are the moral and ethical decision makes that determine what is correct and should be accepted? Which multiple sources of information do you seek? If you really want to know what is going on in this world you have to be objective in your collection and analysis of data.
Do we realise that one on the reasons that the Oxford vaccine was later to market is that it completely failed all initial non-human tests? All the vaccines have been tested on 1st mice 2nd rehsus monkeys 3rd humans. Oxford had an initial test of 10 vaccinated rehsus and 10 non vaccinated rehsus. The result? No difference in immunity. What happened? They went on to human testing anyway. They published these results and withheld later results. You can find this info in their own published research and on some fact check websites.
We assume that all vaccines that we are used to are OK. My wife and I took our son to a Hartley Street vaccine consultant specialist, globally published, and during our consultation he discussed the full list of NHS recommended vaccines, which gender the diseases affected, global prevelance of the disease, the last time that their was a recorded death, heavy metal content of vaccine (aluminium is particularly damaging in higher doses, such as when administered in combined vaccines).
We agreed a vaccine program for our son, it wasn't expensive, his UK child benefit payments easily covered it each month. He is very healthy, top 98% centile, and we have no regrets putting the time and research in. Why? Because this published, professor of immunology knows a damn sight more than I ever would pretend to know. It certainly opened our eyes to some of the misinformation that is put out from BOTH sides of the vaccine debate.
You have to ask also what incentives different groups? What insentivises anti-vaccers? Is it multimillion dollar deals with Governments? Oh no, wait…
York and Oxford University submitted a paper to Parliament recommending mandatory uptake of their vaccine, using the Mental Health Act to detain people who refuse, look it up, the paper is readily available on line. What free thinking person who values their rights, and the rights of their loved ones to make their own, deeply personal decision on the matter, could reasonably think that OK? Buy our vaccine, buy enough of it to vaccinate a whole population... We'll give you mate's rates, honestly.
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But Matt Hancock told us he's already booked his summer hols. 10 nights in a 6 berth caravan on a holiday park in Dorset. He used his Sun newspaper holiday vouchers jus to be on the safe side. If he has to cancel it he's only lost £12. The man's a winner
@kasi I love the detail of the Buffy mask
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@Kasi "I know you didn't do shit last summer"
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I have pretty terrible social anxiety. So one of the silver linings I can appreciate about this whole situation is being able to comfortably tell people to, "give me my 6 feet" while I am out having a drink.
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It's been a crazy start to the new year. My mother, who lives at my place September - February, developed cold like symptoms(sinus congestion, headache) on the 1st. On the 4th, I developed flu like symptoms( fatigue, body aches, and light headedness). I kept myself home from work on the 5th, and contacted my Dr., who had me get tested. Mom did the same. Results came back positive on the 6th. Fortunately, quarantine went well. My mother returned to work earlier this week, and I went back yesterday.
I will say this… While, my symptoms were mostly mild to moderate, and only lasted about 5 days, there was a time, while laying in bed on the 3rd night, I had a very hard time breathing. If it had gotten any worse, I likely would've headed to the hospital. Thankfully, the breathlessness subsided, and never returned. Mom is still dealing with some residual affects, but is getting along pretty well. All indications are, she's out of danger. It's crazy how different each case of this virus affects each individual. I got a taste of it's potential. Please, take care of yourselves, everyone !
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@scooter I'm glad you're alright. I still feel kind of jacked up.
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Thanks for sharing @scooter . Very pleased you and your ma are on the mend. My brother and his partner tested positive a few days ago. They’ve been observing the restrictions carefully and have only had contact with others when going food shopping. Quite scary that it doesn’t take more than that.
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I'm currently at the Mark Hamil in a New Hope stage, the Mrs wanted to give it a trim, told her no thanks…
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I’ve been stuck at 4 for a long, long time. Friends did dare me to grow what remains over lockdown, but I’m just not brave enough to go full-on Friar Tuck.
