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    • AlexA
      Alex
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      @Matt:

      That mugs pretty badass.

      Yeah, was a birthday gift from @Olly

      They are a cool roaster in Hackney (where we live in London), who love Harleys and have a decent sense of humour. You may or may not see some collab stuff coming down the pipeline. The copy on their coffee is usually excellent, I'll stick a pack in your next order.

      One of my fave recents ones…

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      • ChapC
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        @goosehd:

        @Alex Do you put the sugar directly on your tamp/grounds?  The lighting makes it look lighter in your second picture.

        Yes… need some more info about how you did it as well

        God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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        • AlexA
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          @Chap I'm still working it out, but getting better…

          This one was 15g coffee, into the basket and distributed then very lightly tamped. 4g sugar on top, distributed then tamped fully. Shot pulled as normal

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          • AlexA
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            @Alex:

            I'll stick a pack in your next order.

            Filter or Espresso, @Matt ?

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            • ChapC
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              @Alex:

              First pic is coffee, second pic is coffee with sugar on top, Dennis

              Can’t the sugar caramelize and plug the holes?

              God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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              • goosehdG
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                My thought as well.

                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                • goosehdG
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                  …and followup.  How do you like using a naked portafilter?  Is it easier to use?

                  "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                  • AlexA
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                    @goosehd:

                    Is it easier to use?

                    No, but you can see how badly you fucked up the last shot..

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                    • AlexA
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                      @Chap:

                      @Alex:

                      First pic is coffee, second pic is coffee with sugar on top, Dennis

                      Can’t the sugar caramelize and plug the holes?

                      Doesn't seem to in my experience thus far, but I'm no barista

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                      • ChapC
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                        @Alex:

                        @goosehd:

                        Is it easier to use?

                        No, but you can see how badly you fucked up the last shot..

                        Thought about getting one for my Olympia…

                        @Alex:

                        @Chap:

                        @Alex:

                        First pic is coffee, second pic is coffee with sugar on top, Dennis

                        Can’t the sugar caramelize and plug the holes?

                        Doesn't seem to in my experience thus far, but I'm no barista

                        OK will have to give it a try…

                        God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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                        • goosehdG
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                          Thanks Alex!  Something to try as I get better at this.

                          "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                          • weftyarnW
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                            That sugar in the basket shot is something I have to try just because I’m curious how it’ll turn out 😃

                            Bottomless portafilters are incredibly helpful to learn about tamping, channeling, etc…
                            Aaaand, I always use the bottomless when friends stop by to pretend I actually know what I’m doing 😂

                            For everyday use I find them less versatile, as you can’t split shots
                            and a bad tamp coffee squirt is something I don’t want to have on my white tees

                            Use it or lose it.

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                            • J
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                              @Chap  and @goosehd - did you go for the Cremina original or the SL model? I think I am about to pull the trigger also  😎

                              /Jens

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                              • goosehdG
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                                @Jens I went for the Cremina Original.  It’s beautiful, very easy to use, and I like the feel of “pulling” my shot.  I don’t know if I would get the pressure gauge though as I pay more attention to the flow coming out of it than the pressure I’m pulling at.

                                I’m still very new with this machine so you should take the pressure thing cautiously as it may become more useful with time and experience.

                                "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                • weftyarnW
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                                  Speaking of bottomless and learning from it:

                                  Tamp looking good, but let’s see what the bottomless tells us…

                                  Almost perfectly even extraction, BUT

                                  • slightly right-shifted extraction in the center
                                  • probably too densely packed puck in the left center
                                  • extraction on the sides looks perfect -> indicating the tamp was level

                                  Looking good after a few seconds, no squirting etc…
                                  Still slightly right-shifted center though

                                  10 seconds into the shot: One stream of coffee, still no squirts, still slightly right-shifted
                                  The tamp was not perfect, but absolutely doable and not „bad for the extraction“.
                                  I could have done better with distributing the grind in the center of the puck.

                                  Final result: 17.5g in, 40g out, 33sec
                                  Full body, well balanced, chocolaty
                                  Maybe a tad bitter / overextracted

                                  Options: Reduce time / brew ratio, Grind coarser, Reduce temp

                                  What I would do: Reduce temp (by 1deg), because I was absolutely happy with the body of the shot and don’t want to change anything with the grind / brew ratio.

                                  Use it or lose it.

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                                  • goosehdG
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                                    @weftyarn My hat is off to you!!  Very useful information and approach to the results.  I see that your ratio is 1: 2.3 and often hear that 1:2 is ideal.  Do you find that the ratio is dependent on the beans used and your overall desired taste that you're looking for?

                                    Fantastic pictures and information!! Thank you  🙂

                                    "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                    • J
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                                      @goosehd:

                                      @Jens I went for the Cremina Original.  It’s beautiful, very easy to use, and I like the feel of “pulling” my shot.  I don’t know if I would get the pressure gauge though as I pay more attention to the flow coming out of it than the pressure I’m pulling at.

                                      I’m still very new with this machine so you should take the pressure thing cautiously as it may become more useful with time and experience.

                                      Great - I think I will also choose the "old" model. The hole thing about more or less no changes for 50 yrs is appealing. Thank you @goosehd

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                                      • weftyarnW
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                                        @goosehd:

                                        @weftyarn My hat is off to you!!  Very useful information and approach to the results.
                                        Fantastic pictures and information!! Thank you  🙂

                                        Much appreciated! I always love to share knowledge where I can. I wouldn't be where I am without others sharing their knowledge. 🙂

                                        @goosehd:

                                        @weftyarn I see that your ratio is 1: 2.3 and often hear that 1:2 is ideal.  Do you find that the ratio is dependent on the beans used and your overall desired taste that you're looking for?

                                        Absolutely! It's hard to find a "general" rule, but from what I've learned and tasted thus far,
                                        light / fruity / complex roasts profit by more room in the cup / less compact brew ratios.
                                        The different notes can be better separated then. They can also live with longer extractions, because the solids are harder to extract out of the bean.

                                        Darker, more traditional "Italian" roasts work better if they're extracted compactly / with less room in the cup. In my opinion they profit from heaviness and shorter, more intense extractions.

                                        But independent from the bean, I would really always go by the taste of the the first extraction,
                                        without focussing too much on "external rules". What tastes good, is good.

                                        Use it or lose it.

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                                        • ChapC
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                                          Yes normal Cremina here as well… no nothing about the SL sorry

                                          God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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                                          • J
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                                            @Chap:

                                            Yes normal Cremina here as well… no nothing about the SL sorry

                                            Cool @Chap
                                            I will go order the normal Cremina and pair it with the Niche grinder. Did not know about Olympia Cremina until you guys mentioned it in this thread - thank you!
                                            /Jens

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