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I think there’s a noticeable difference between the arm holes of the westerns I have (192 & 240) vs the work shirt chambray (which number escapes me at the moment), but the cut is a bit looser as well. Work being bigger, but also it’s a far lighter and breathable shirt than say the heaviness of an IH flannel.
I have an UHF in the workshirt cut, so I can compare that too.
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My XXL wabash workshirts have larger armholes than my XXL 33 Western. That sais, all other dimensions are slightly bigger too due to the style and purpose of their original design (I suppose). Because sizing of CPOs is intentionally bigger, I have always sized down to xl, so can't make a like for like comparison, but as @neph93 said, it would be a reasonable guess to say they'd be larger.
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I’m sure this has been asked before but what deodorant do you use that doesn’t leave pit stains on t-shirts? I’ve read that deodorants with aluminum whatever as an ingredient leaves pit stains, but my current deodorant doesn’t have aluminum in it. Any specific brands you’d recommend?
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I’m sure this has been asked before but what deodorant do you use that doesn’t leave pit stains on t-shirts? I’ve read that deodorants with aluminum whatever as an ingredient leaves pit stains, but my current deodorant doesn’t have aluminum in it. Any specific brands you’d recommend?
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I use Old Spice or Dove deodorant but not an antiperspirant. I tried using Toms but it didnt cut it for a long day at work.
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It could be caffeine makes the armpits sweat…
Or follow these guidelines
https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-stop-sweating-armpits#tips
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I used to be paranoid about wet patches under my armpits, but now I just think fuck it. Our bodies are designed to sweat. I used a mineral based deo (pit Rock roll on). That deals with any odour. Other than that I'm not too fussed what people think… What next? Waxing my chest and shaping my eyebrows? We have so many social etiquette 'rules' in the west, seriously, let us be.
I understand that some people have medical conditions that make them conscious of symptoms such as sweating prefusely, that's a bit different.
Not caring too much about what people think is pretty liberating, and one of the best lessons CBT taught me.
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I used to be paranoid about wet patches under my armpits, but now I just think fuck it. Our bodies are designed to sweat. I used a mineral based deo (pit Rock roll on). That deals with any odour. Other than that I'm not too fussed what people think… What next? Waxing my chest and shaping my eyebrows? We have so many social etiquette 'rules' in the west, seriously, let us be.
I understand that some people have medical conditions that make them conscious of symptoms such as sweating prefusely, that's a bit different.
Not caring too much about what people think is pretty liberating, and one of the best lessons CBT taught me.
In most cases I don’t worry about pit sweat because I’m usually wearing a dark tee as an undershirt and I don’t sweat in the winter. I’m only asking because I recently bought a white band tee, against my better judgement, and noticed light discoloration under the pits, which really bummed me out. I guess I’ll spray it with some oxyclean and give it a soak to see if it goes away.
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@neph93 I think it's more the case that we are just stinky old men
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Oxyclean does the job, but I fear it is unavoidable in some cases. I get yellowing inside the collar band of white shirts (IHSH-67 and 119) and I don’t use deodorant on my neck. I think it is a consequence of salt/sweat/oils from the skin, reacting with the cotton.
This. I love white shirts but hate the fact after 5-10 wears the collar is yellow. Getting rid of it is a pain too.
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Hi, I have some questions about the 14oz denim. Is this weight relatively breathable? I'm looking for something that would be comfortable during the summer. Does it require a lot of break-in? I also might go for the indigo/black as opposed to regular indigo. I don't know if the indigo/black has different characteristics or not. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
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@jackdc100 Hi and welcome to IHF, I see this was your first post. Good to have you here.
The 14oz is a good summer weight and breathes relatively well. They are a little crunchy at the start, but depending on what your used to not very challenging to break in at all.
The blue/black version is same denim just dyed differently. While I don’t own any, it shouldn’t affect their use as summer jeans meaningfully.
Not to turn your head, but many people find the 21oz to make an excellent summer jean, despite it’s weight. It breathes very well indeed and is very comfortable after only a few wears.
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@jackdc100 Hi and welcome to IHF, I see this was your first post. Good to have you here.
The 14oz is a good summer weight and breathes relatively well. They are a little crunchy at the start, but depending on what your used to not very challenging to break in at all.
The blue/black version is same denim just dyed differently. While I don’t own any, it shouldn’t affect their use as summer jeans meaningfully.
Not to turn your head, but many people find the 21oz to make an excellent summer jean, despite it’s weight. It breathes very well indeed and is very comfortable after only a few wears.
Thanks for the info guys:) I'm actually wearing the 21oz as I'm typing this. I do get a little hot when it's above 65 degrees or so. I was hoping the 14oz would be a good option for hot summer weather. The 21oz is really great for the cool Northeastern climate in the US though. Maybe most people have a better tolerance to heat than I do and do well with the 21oz fabric in hot weather. In addition, I really want to try the indigo/black fabric so I thought that having a different weight for the summertime would be a good excuse for another IH purchase haha.
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People are different and experience these things differently. I don’t know what you usually wear in the summer, but the 14oz is predictably thinner, and obviously lighter, despite not letting in quite as much air as the 21oz. I wear 14oz happily in the summer, but I live in northern Norway [emoji1]
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Ok right on. Thanks again for the info guys. I think I'll pick up a pair of the 14oz jeans soon. It'll be fun to have the variety for sure.
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I've thoroughly enjoyed reading all the great stuff in these forums and figured it was high time for me to get some advice. I decided to use part of my covid-mandated work-from-home schedule to break in my very first pair of Iron Hearts, so the question is, what's a good a first pair to get?
After way more research than I'd ever admit in public (easily 30+ hours perusing websites, IH forums, Reddit, SuFu, etc.), I've narrowed it down to either the 888S-OD or the SE 633-XHS. Here's my thought process and a bit of context. Hoping that some of you geekier, detailed types won't mind a longer missive. (And yes, I'm thinking of you Neph; love your posts btw.)
Here goes:
- While I like the classic 21oz. indigo, I figured I should try something that's pretty different from what I have today (current rotation includes PBJ SLB-019, 3sixteen 40BSP, JP 601, etc. all in traditional indigo)
- I generally need a little more room in the top block, and tend to find that either the waist is too big or the thigh/top block area too tight, which is why I'm drawn to the 888s and the SE 633s. I tried a pair of Ignition Works (stretch is probably a bad word here but was intrigued); the waist was fine but the rest was pretty tight. I have big calves and decent-sized thighs. My PBJs work fine except they're pretty tight around my calves, maybe because I've been running a lot lately because of all the social distancing.
- I prefer tapered and don't want my first pair to be something that I won't want to wear a lot of the time
- I'm intrigued by both the OD and IDBK and the only option in the 888 or 633 right now is the OD which does look super cool
- Also pretty interested in what going super heavy would be like, hence the interest in the XHS
- I was thinking that a mid-rise like the 633 might be better than the 888; my PBJs have an 11 inch front rise, and either I don't like where this particular pair hits my hip (maybe because of the tight lower leg) or I don't like a higher rise. SE also has an Indigo/Indigo pair of 18oz. that look good, but wanted to go the 21oz. route because the 18s are pretty close to the highest weight I have (16.5)
I need a 30 inch waist so inclined to do the size 30 in the 888S-OD (starts at 29.5 inches per Self Edge, 29.9 per IH) or the 29 in the 633 (starts at 30.5). I'm pretty sure I've read all the forums, including the ones that touch briefly on the 633-XHS, so I think those sizes are the right ones to start with.
I know it's a personal decision, just figured it'd be good to get the collective wisdom before I make the plunge.
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@Solomon Thanks for the mention, I appreciate that.
Firstly, not being in the States, I don’t have any personal experience with the 633 cut. So I can’t help much there other than to say it fits the bill for what you’re looking for. One thing I will say, and it is more a matter of personal taste, is the I like a taper that starts at the thigh (555 and 888) rather than one that starts around the knee (633). It is just more elegant and more flattering for most people.
When it comes to sizing, the OD is wildly different to the XHS. If you want a 30” waist when they are broken in the you will probably need a starting waist a good inch less than that in the OD. It is stretchy af. The good news is that sizing down in the 888 will minimise the high rise. The OD will also crease easily in the top block, causing the waistband to sit further down with wear.
Speaking of top blocks, if you like a bit of room then be careful with the 633, especially in XHS. The 633 top block can be trim and take it in tightly woven, heavy denim and it may test your tolerances. That being said the XHS is amazing in every way.
You’ve chosen my two favourite denims here so you can’t go wrong there. I’m a big fan of the 888 cut too (ass + thighs + short inseam means it is flattering for me).
I hope that unfocused waffling helps, let me know if you have anymore questions.
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I'm clearly a bit of a waffler myself, so very much appreciated Neph. And I'm super glad you were the first to reply - was hoping that'd be the case.
Thanks for the guidance on the 633 in combination with the XHS. I was leaning toward the 888S-OD because I was a little intimidated by the prospect of taming the XHS as my first foray into the wonderful world of IH.
On the waist size, I confess I really don't know if I'm a 30 inch waist of not. I'd read your take on the OD being super stretchy which is why I was so interested in getting your take on which size to go with. My PBJs definitely are 15 inches the Blue Owl way, and maybe closer to 29-29.5 the SE way, but maybe that's why I'm not crazy about them. (They're not tight at all but not a relaxed fit either.) I was kinda thinking I'd order the 30s first, and if those aren't sufficiently tight, I'd return them and go for the 29. Also wondering if the 29 thighs would be sufficiently roomy - SE has a much bigger spread between the thigh sizes on their site (11.2 vs. 11.5) vs. IH's measurements. Go figure, they're normally pretty close.
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You want OD to be tight in the waist and thigh at the start, uncomfortably so. If they fit straight out of the bag they are too big.
The differences in measuring create some issues obviously. Seeing as IHUK have measurements for the 888-OD here I would measure the waist and thigh of your best fitting pair the IH way (see the videos on site), and compare with IH measurements. Once you have an idea of what your optimal waist/thigh should be you will be able to take a good edu-guess at the right tag size for you.
