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  • J
    Jordanxbuffer
    Joined: 7 Jan 2017

    @JDelage:

    @Jordanxbuffer:

    I’m looking for that ~13.5” post-soak thigh measurements.

    That's pretty extreme on a 34-35 waist. I like full cuts and the only pants I have experienced that are in this range are the Roy Peanuts & Memorial and the Tender 132. The SDA 101 is close too, but with a much lower front raise.

    The only cut that has measurements close to what I want is the IH-888.

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    last edited by 22 Sept 2018, 03:24 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
    • J
      JDelage
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 13 Jan 2012

      For the sake of sharing info, here are measurements for a pair of S500VX 17oz size 33 I just bought from the sales thread here:

      • Waist 35
      • Front rise 11 (that's the killer on those…)
      • Back rise 15
      • Thigh 12.8
      • Knees 9.5
      • Opening 8.5
      last edited by 22 Sept 2018, 03:45 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • J
        Jordanxbuffer
        Joined: 7 Jan 2017

        @JDelage:

        For the sake of sharing info, here are measurements for a pair of S500VX 17oz size 33 I just bought from the sales thread here:

        • Waist 35
        • Front rise 11 (that's the killer on those…)
        • Back rise 15
        • Thigh 12.8
        • Knees 9.5
        • Opening 8.5

        Damn.

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        last edited by 22 Sept 2018, 17:15 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • J
          Jordanxbuffer
          Joined: 7 Jan 2017

          @JDelage:

          @Jordanxbuffer:

          I’m looking for that ~13.5” post-soak thigh measurements.

          That's pretty extreme on a 34-35 waist. I like full cuts and the only pants I have experienced that are in this range are the Roy Peanuts & Memorial and the Tender 132. The SDA 101 is close too, but with a much lower front raise. There are more choices if willing to go down to 13" thighs…

          WRT Samurai, the S3000VX is the one I'm looking at right now...

          I wish I could go down, but my tree trunk legs won’t let me.

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          last edited by 23 Sept 2018, 16:12 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • C
            Crit_Obs
            Joined: 20 Oct 2017

            @Jordanxbuffer:

            I wish I could go down, but my tree trunk legs won’t let me.

            I don't think there's much joy to be had with Samurai for you, unfortunately. Personally, I think their cuts work the best when you are slim and can size for the waist; if you need to size up to accommodate voluminous thighs, you'll end up with lots of unnecessary material around the waist and bell-bottom leg openings.

            This a crass generalization, naturally, but if 888 works the best for you then you won't find anything remotely similar here.

            last edited by 23 Sept 2018, 16:19 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • J
              Jordanxbuffer
              Joined: 7 Jan 2017

              @Crit_Obs:

              @Jordanxbuffer:

              I wish I could go down, but my tree trunk legs won’t let me.

              I don't think there's much joy to be had with Samurai for you, unfortunately. Personally, I think their cuts work the best when you are slim and can size for the waist; if you need to size up to accommodate voluminous thighs, you'll end up with lots of unnecessary material around the waist and bell-bottom leg openings.

              This a crass generalization, naturally, but if 888 works the best for you then you won't find anything remotely similar here.

              Thanks for the heads up! Their fabrics just look so beautiful!

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              last edited by 23 Sept 2018, 16:20 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • D
                dave28
                Joined: 22 Aug 2010

                A tag 35 710xx will have 13+ thighs. I measure my used and soaked/washed tag 34 as 13 inch thigh the way I measure from watching IH way to measure.

                last edited by 23 Sept 2018, 16:53 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • C
                  Chris
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                  Samurai construction also requires a different mindset.  Not that it's bad, just that Samurai made the choice to use all cotton thread, which is considerably less durable than the poly cotton blend that IH uses.  As a result, seams begin to fray more quickly and you'll do more spot repairs.  If you don't mind, or even like, doing that, then great.  But if you don't, it can take a while to accept.

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                  • J
                    Jordanxbuffer
                    Joined: 7 Jan 2017

                    @Chris:

                    Samurai construction also requires a different mindset.  Not that it's bad, just that Samurai made the choice to use all cotton thread, which is considerably less durable than the poly cotton blend that IH uses.  As a result, seams begin to fray more quickly and you'll do more spot repairs.  If you don't mind, or even like, doing that, then great.  But if you don't, it can take a while to accept.

                    I have a buddy here locally that can darn and repair when necessary and then I send them over to Rain after a while. It’s sounding like I’ll just hold off for different 888 iterations.

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                    last edited by 23 Sept 2018, 20:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • J
                      JDelage
                      啓蒙家
                      Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                      I just ordered a pair of S3000VX. I'll post the measurements when I get them, but I already know they won't have the kind of tapper you're looking for. My thighs are slightly smaller than yours, but my calves are weirdly big…  It must be all that spinach...

                      last edited by 24 Sept 2018, 03:07 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • J
                        Jordanxbuffer
                        Joined: 7 Jan 2017

                        @JDelage:

                        I just ordered a pair of S3000VX. I'll post the measurements when I get them, but I already know they won't have the kind of tapper you're looking for. My thighs are slightly smaller than yours, but my calves are weirdly big…  It must be all that spinach...

                        Haha. I’m not super opposed to a straight cut because of how I cuff my jeans. Friggin’ spinach. I have large calves, too. I blame the 560lb squats.

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                        last edited by 24 Sept 2018, 03:38 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        • JCMx800J
                          JCMx800
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          Joined: 20 Sept 2012

                          Read the whole thread again and needed some 710xx in my life…

                          Les Paul -> ProCo Rat -> Super HardOn -> JCM800 Low Input
                          XXX

                          last edited by 13 Oct 2018, 10:41 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • J
                            JDelage
                            啓蒙家
                            Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                            @Jordanxbuffer:

                            Haha. I’m not super opposed to a straight cut because of how I cuff my jeans. Friggin’ spinach. I have large calves, too. I blame the 560lb squats.

                            That would do it. Just got over 300lbs for reps myself. One plate at a time… I shipped the pants to be hemmed. Will post measurements when I get them back.

                            last edited by 13 Oct 2018, 15:36 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • J
                              Jordanxbuffer
                              Joined: 7 Jan 2017

                              @JDelage:

                              @Jordanxbuffer:

                              Haha. I’m not super opposed to a straight cut because of how I cuff my jeans. Friggin’ spinach. I have large calves, too. I blame the 560lb squats.

                              That would do it. Just got over 300lbs for reps myself. One plate at a time… I shipped the pants to be hemmed. Will post measurements when I get them back.

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                              last edited by 13 Oct 2018, 16:42 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • C
                                Crit_Obs
                                Joined: 20 Oct 2017

                                I haven't had any quality-related issues with Samurai and quite like the way they overdo the details - although they might be getting into the territory of over-overdoing them as of late. ::) The latest 25oz S710XXGDB is a prime example of this. I would love to check out that denim but other than that it's like they threw everything at the wall and alas, everything stack, too. ::)

                                Cut-wise S710 is the closest to IH 777. I love my 24oz pair to bits and would recommend them when/if they decide to initiate round #3.

                                last edited by 13 Oct 2018, 17:15 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • J
                                  JDelage
                                  啓蒙家
                                  Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                                  @JDelage:

                                  I shipped the pants to be hemmed. Will post measurements when I get them back.

                                  I actually shipped other pants… First world problems... Anyway, measurements on my S3000VX size 35 after a warm bath are: waist 34, thighs 12.75, knees 10.5, opening 9.5, front rise 12, back rise 15.5.

                                  One thing with those is that the pocket bags are a bit shallow.

                                  last edited by 13 Oct 2018, 18:06 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • JCMx800J
                                    JCMx800
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 20 Sept 2012

                                    In case someone is interested:
                                    Samurai s710xx Tagsize 34"
                                    Measurements Raw vs Washed
                                    Waist: 35"    33"
                                    Thigh: 13"    12.6"
                                    Front: 11.5"    11"
                                    Back: 15.6"    15"
                                    Knee: 9.5"    9.1"
                                    Hem: 8.1"    7.9"
                                    Inseam: 37.5"    35.5"

                                    Les Paul -> ProCo Rat -> Super HardOn -> JCM800 Low Input
                                    XXX

                                    last edited by 20 Oct 2018, 11:40 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                    • BD81B
                                      BD81
                                      Iron Heart Deity
                                      Joined: 11 Jan 2019

                                      I bought a pair of 25oz samurais  in august nice jeans and all…lnext time im going to spend the extra $ and go with IH. There is already threads breaking in a few spots and the leg twist annoyed the shit out of me for the first few months, other than that they are pretty decent.

                                      R.I.P. Filthy🤘

                                      last edited by 11 Jan 2019, 06:07 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • C
                                        Crit_Obs
                                        Joined: 20 Oct 2017

                                        @BD81:

                                        I bought a pair of 25oz samurais  in august nice jeans and all…lnext time im going to spend the extra $ and go with IH. There is already threads breaking in a few spots and the leg twist annoyed the shit out of me for the first few months, other than that they are pretty decent.

                                        Leg twist is what happens when you wash raw denim, regardless of the brand.

                                        last edited by 11 Jan 2019, 06:34 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • neph93N
                                          neph93
                                          見習いボス
                                          Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                          ^ that is an over simplification. It happens without washing too as wear will also drag the twill in the direction it wants to go in regardless. The level of sanforisation plays a role in how much leg twist you get as well.

                                          The issue here is that it is more prevelent in some types of denim than others. RHT, fully sanforised denim displays very little to no leg twist compared with left hand twill and raw denims for example.

                                          My 25oz XHS are well worn and washed and display no visible leg twist. Same with my old 21oz pairs. Both my UHR’s have some  (the 888’s quite a lot given how new they are and the fact that they haven’t seen water after the initial soak/wash). My relatively new 19oz LHT are already starting to display some turn.

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                                          We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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