WESCO

[spacecadet]

Looking for some advice on sizing for Wesco Jobmasters in either the 9109 bump toe or standard 9165 last.  I’m a size 10 in Viberg- 2045, 310, and 110 lasts. I’m also a 10E in White’s semi-dress/55 last. Kyle at Bakers is saying I should go for a 10 with Wesco, but I’m not so sure since I’ve read a lot of people go a half size up from Viberg/White’s.  Any advice would be very much appreciated. BTW, I’m thinking of going with black oil tan leather so there shouldn’t be much stretch. Also, what width should I go with?

[jdl1279]

You wouldn't notice any real difference between the 9109 and standard Jobmasters last, except the instep is slightly narrowed on the 9109. Viberg are typically a half size down from Wesco, being Canadian sizing. While White's would usually be the same as Wesco

[Chris]

I wear a size 10D in all three brands.  Some minor distances in fit, but not enough to warrant a change in size.

[spacecadet]

Thanks guys. I’m a 10.5 brannock with a high instep and long toes. I feel I’m somewhat in between sizes like between a 10E and 10.5D/10.5E. I like the length the Viberg 10 has but the White’s 10E is shorter than I’m used to. My foot length differs between sitting and standing. When wearing boots without a lot of arch support like Viberg 110s, my feet will flatten somewhat and my toes will approach towards the end of the toe box. This doesn’t really happen on my White’s due to the substantial arch support. I’m also a 10E in Alden Trubalance and Barrie. Does this make sense? Anybody else have this issue?

[neph93]

Beware that the JM is a relatively wide last. I’d go 10.5D. For reference I have Vibergs in UK 10D (no idea which last they are IHVB-3-CT) and wear US 10.5E in Wesco but that is the MP toe.

[jdl1279]

If you have high arches, I would definitely recommend the 9109 last. Both my Boss and Warren are built on it and are often favored over my Jobmasters due to the extra support

[spacecadet]

Good information. Thanks.

I believe those 3-CTs are on what Viberg calls their “workboot last”, the 160.

I actually find the arch support in White’s to be a little much due to my gait tending to walk on the outside of my foot. I prefer the rigidity of the metal shank on Viberg, where it provides support without being overbearing. The metal shank is the reason for my interest in Wescos. I’m thinking of a 10” black oil tan double midsole Jobmaster, with packer upper stitching on the Vibram 100 sole. The Jobmaster config. with packer upper stitching is called the Warren boot. Is that correct?

[jdl1279]

No, a Jobmaster with a packer upper is just that. It's built on the standard Jobmaster last still. The Warren is a packer built on the 9109 last. It's slightly narrower, has a higher instep, and a bump toe

[jdl1279]

The flatter toe box is the Jobmaster, the bump toe is a Warren

[spacecadet]

Great. Thanks for the correction. It really helps. That old leather in the top pic is such a great color. Do you have any details on that leather? Can they ever bring that back somehow?

[neph93]

@spacecadet:

That old leather in the top pic is such a great color. Do you have any details on that leather? Can they ever bring that back somehow?

Is it not the Burgundy Domain?

[jdl1279]

Looks like Brown domain to me

[neph93]

@jdl1279:

Looks like Brown domain to me

I’m on my phone, but a quick zoom in tells me you might be right. It looks like one of the domains.

Speaking of which, that British Tan Domain looks noice.

[spacecadet]

Saw that pic a few weeks ago on this forum. BTW, how long has Wesco been using domaine?

Here’s what Giles said about it in 2014.

“Bottom.  Jobmaster #9165 last.  It's an old boot as Wesco have not used that logo or that leather for an age”

[neph93]

Giles could answer that, but not in 2014 I think. It looks to be a waxed leather and similar to the domain at any rate.

[spacecadet]

Yeah. I’m sure you guys are right and it probably is domain leather. Could be the lighting or something but the color looks in between brown and burgundy to me.

Agree with you on the British tan domain. It looks fantastic.

[Giles]

@neph93:

Giles could answer that

He couldn't

[spacecadet]

@Giles:

@neph93:

Giles could answer that

He couldn't

Haha. What about sizing? You had a bunch of Viberg’s in the past, right? For Jobmaster last or bump toe (9109 last) is it a half size up from Viberg or the same size?

[Giles]

1/2 to 1

[spacecadet]

@Giles:

1/2 to 1

Interesting. What does the 1/2 to 1 depend on? One of my “internet shoe friends” who is the same Viberg size as me went up a half size in Wesco Jobmasters. He said the half size up were too short on him, but he’s been MIA the last couple of years. FWIW, he is typically a C width where I’m more an E width.