IH-633S - Self Edge x Iron Heart 21oz Selvedge Straight Tapered
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Can you elaborate a little bit more on 633 vs. 301? How does the fit in thigh and back rise compare between the two fits? Would 301 be a good choice for someone who wants slightly slimmer thigh but the same backrise from the 633? Thanks in advance!
I'm sure Tyler can say more, but I will say the rise on the 301s is good amount shorter than the 633. I have had 634s in the past, and while they are "mid-rise" in my mind, the 301 is what I would call low rise. Hope that helps!
Adam is dead on…although the 301s is definitely a lower rise, it's still in the tasteful low-rise category, not neccesarily everything falling out everywhere kinda low rise. If you have large thighs that might be where you max out in the 301s, and that'll sometimes exacerbate the low feeling/appearance of the rise.
I probably should have clarified that although my experience was that many guys who tried on the 301s and 633s at SEPDX really liked both, and that both cuts definitely look good on a very wide range of people, they still have some fundamental differences, and aren't as interchangeable as they were for some of my customers if you have strong fit preferences for certain parts of a cut, specifically the rise. Though the 301s is the comfiest low rise jean I've had on ever, its still a low rise jean. The 633s, like the 634s isn't a repro full rise...medium is probably accurate, however there is something magical about the shape, front rise/back rise proportions or some other patternmaking voodoo that makes those cuts feel simultaneously comfortable and secure, in a way that often lures even the staunchest advocates of repro cuts. And that's the thing...when it came to customers trying on in store...anyone who either prioritized a fuller more comfortable rise, or had a body shape that demanded more drop from thigh to waist, invariably ended up favoring the 633s. If you like the backrise of the 633s, it's likely you've found the closest thing in the IH lineup to your ideal, and everything else is going to be a comrpromise in the wrong ways. That said..I don't know much about the 555s but it seems like that could be a little bit less of a compromise than the 301s would be. In the other direction, the IHxB01 has a higher rear rise by a little bit, and slimmer thighs, but the overall taper isn't as significant. As I said before, I like the 634s and 633s both a lot, but sometimes I think the IHxB01 might be my favorite cut of them all! Sorry that's probably not of much help in making a decision!
Pre or post size tweak? (That model appears to have gotten significantly smaller with the last run.)
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Thanks guys, your descriptions for the 301 vs. 633 fit was dead on and resonates with a lot of my impressions of the 634/633 fit. Personally I like a higher rise, it just feels more "secure" like you mentioned. I've learned over time that I need a rise of around 15.5, it starts to be too short when less than 15 and too long when more than 16 inches. In terms of thigh measurement, while I think I can probably tolerate a slightly tighter fit, the struggle to stretch the thighs just isn't worth it for a jean rotation of 7-8 pairs. With those observations, I think the 633 is likely the best fit for me.
I also thought about the 555 and 666 fit, both of them have thigh measurements that's a little too slim. The 633 fit have a lot of variation though, while my 633-sII and 633S fits perfectly, the new 633N came up short with the back rise (14.5 inch for tagged 34). Thankfully 634N had the usual thigh measurements.
Thanks to both of you for the help!
Dan
Adam is dead on…although the 301s is definitely a lower rise, it's still in the tasteful low-rise category, not neccesarily everything falling out everywhere kinda low rise. If you have large thighs that might be where you max out in the 301s, and that'll sometimes exacerbate the low feeling/appearance of the rise.
I probably should have clarified that although my experience was that many guys who tried on the 301s and 633s at SEPDX really liked both, and that both cuts definitely look good on a very wide range of people, they still have some fundamental differences, and aren't as interchangeable as they were for some of my customers if you have strong fit preferences for certain parts of a cut, specifically the rise. Though the 301s is the comfiest low rise jean I've had on ever, its still a low rise jean. The 633s, like the 634s isn't a repro full rise...medium is probably accurate, however there is something magical about the shape, front rise/back rise proportions or some other patternmaking voodoo that makes those cuts feel simultaneously comfortable and secure, in a way that often lures even the staunchest advocates of repro cuts. And that's the thing...when it came to customers trying on in store...anyone who either prioritized a fuller more comfortable rise, or had a body shape that demanded more drop from thigh to waist, invariably ended up favoring the 633s. If you like the backrise of the 633s, it's likely you've found the closest thing in the IH lineup to your ideal, and everything else is going to be a comrpromise in the wrong ways. That said..I don't know much about the 555s but it seems like that could be a little bit less of a compromise than the 301s would be. In the other direction, the IHxB01 has a higher rear rise by a little bit, and slimmer thighs, but the overall taper isn't as significant. As I said before, I like the 634s and 633s both a lot, but sometimes I think the IHxB01 might be my favorite cut of them all! Sorry that's probably not of much help in making a decision!
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@Shoreman I don't know that it's ever not been smaller. Since I can remember they've measured 1 under tagged at the waist. Last I checked (I've dropped a few pounds so I'm a different size in most things than I often have been) my sizing would be like this in the 3 jeans in question: 633s sz 31, 634s sz 32, IHxB01 sz 33.
The waists would all be pretty snug to start. B01 would be tightest in the thighs, followed by 633, and 634 -
I really hope to shoot down some of these @SE when i visit USA in the summer… might be the perfect fit for me!
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Pretty close to the colors on my pair in the light.
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Coming along beautifully!
Thanks Tyler, slowly but surely!
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Nice @bubbapest. The 633s is probably my current favorite jean in my collection. Unfortunately they are about to be put up for the summer [emoji20]
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633s and 633n are my current favorite jeans in my collection. I like the cut.
Recently I expanded my collection of boots, wants to show off my footwear and suddenly I clearly realized that my ideal perfect dream cut would be exactly 633 but with a smaller leg opening, i.e. with a heavier taper from the knee to the hem.
I know nothing about cuttin jeans and tailoring so here is my question: can I buy two more pairs of 633(N+S) and send/bring them to the tailor so to take off another like 1.5 inch from the hem? Is it possible technically?
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Yep send them to railcar. They do a great job
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Yep send them to railcar. They do a great job
Thank you spitfiredealer!
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Yes, this is definitely possible, any tailor can do that for you, just make sure they do it from the inseam so they retain the selvedge edge on the outseam.
You can have them tailor just taper the leg so that the leg opening is 1.5" smaller.
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I'm sorry but we don't taper jeans.-kiya
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been trying to figure out how to get the right fit and i actually missed the selfedge sale because i couldn't decide… the ridiculous inseam on the 633s basically ruins the (otherwise perfect) taper for anyone other than freakishly tall people (i think i'm 5'10 or so).
not stoked on spending another $60 to get a taper from railcar (and apparently a 6+ week wait..??), but it would break even with the 633s if i got a taper for a pair of 634s from rodeo bros... i'm just not sure if the front/back rise is the same (i'm about 31" TTS so i would probably get a 29 in 633s and a 30 in 634s..?).
i know the back rise on the 633 14oz is higher than the 634, but that's only because self edge just started listing the back rise in size charts (none for the 21oz, etc).
i do prefer the normal arcs on the 634s, but only slightly anyway (which is amazing as i pretty much hate all other brand's arcs)
need a new pair ASAP as i've been wearing a pair of SEXIH07BKs for 6 years that desperately need repairs (yes 6, and my only/daily pair... going to send in pics to heddels and maybe i can get one of those self edge gift cards which might fix my problem).
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Why not have had SE hem them? Just figured out the inseam/hem change real quick on a size 33. Every inch would be about .05". There is 22.5" between knee and hem, take 3" off, 33.5" inseam so not even a 1/4" difference in hem opening. I ain't even that picky, haha.
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Get the 777 cut if you want the most taper and IH arcs. As an owner of both pairs. 633 are my baggier chilling/work pants and my 777 are my slimmer going out jeans. You get a lower rise on the 777 but it works just right for the fit. Go TTS if you want some space. Size down 1 if you want skinny jeans
