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      Anothercaller
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      Hi Flat Headers, I wonder if someone can school me on the level of shrinkage I can expect on a pair of 3012s?

      They are the ones I want but am unsure of sizing. I need a 32, so should I grab a 32 knowing it will shrink about 1'' to 1.5'' and wait for stretch?

      Anyone with experience with this fit and/or denim?

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        Jeef
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        Hey @Anothercaller , the 3012s use the Pioneer denim, same as many of Flat Head jean models… Information about shrinkage of this denim is pretty widely available. I'm usually a 32 in most brands, I went with a 33 in the 3012. The waist on mine measures 32". They have been machine washed many times. Hope that helps! Let me know if you need any other measurements.

        One more thing, are you sure you really want this model? The fit is kind of strange. The taper is very strong. I don't really wear these anymore because of how much they taper. They don't look terrible or anything, and they are definitely not a skinny fit,  but I wish they were wider fitting from the knee down. (This is like the opposite of a reddit post, "Guys does anybody know a tailor that can un-taper my jeans??") Anyway, definitely recommend some Flat Head denim, just be sure to check out all of their different fits. You can never go wrong with a classic straight cut.

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          Anothercaller
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          @Jeef

          Hey man, thanks for the advice.

          It's taken me a while to find this fit and yes I do want the taper!

          As regards shrinkage, I'm a 32 as well so wasn't sure if sizing up to take into account shrinkage or not. Seems like this is what you did?

          Anyhow, appreciate you taking the time to shed some light on it for me.

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            Jeef
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            I bought mine from self edge so I was able to try them on first so I knew what size I needed. Might be worth it for you to buy from somewhere that will accept exchanges if you don't get the size right.

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              Anothercaller
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              @Jeef

              You don't remember what the 33 waist started at in terms of actual measurement by any chance?

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                Jeef
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                No clue. Tried them on and there was a little extra room in the waist so I bought them and washed them. I'm sure both self edge and rivet and hide sell these and have measurements on their sites.

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                • zatenmZ
                  zatenm
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                  Wearing my TFH horsehide today, layered with the SH-80 (a fav combo of mine):

                  WTB: IHSH-154 Grey M, IHSH-91 M

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                    chiverus
                    Haraki san Expert
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                    Absolutely stonking jacket and combo @zatenm ..Looks like the TFH Cafe Racer? I've hardly worn mine but need to before it gets too cold in the UK and then have an agonising wait for next year  🙂

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                    • zatenmZ
                      zatenm
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                      @TrickHell:

                      I have that jacket coming at the end of November. Stoked.

                      Dude! CONGRATS on a seriously killer jacket @TrickHell  [emoji122]
                      I'm sure you're gonna love it…and judging from your pics, it looks like it might fit you just right [emoji106]
                      Stocked for you!

                      WTB: IHSH-154 Grey M, IHSH-91 M

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                        grandmasterben
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                        Zatenm looks sooo damn good!! In a few years we're going to have a jacket-off and see whose looks best 😉

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                          grandmasterben
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                          42 sounds too big man, I have a pic in 38 and 40 if it helps. I'm a 40 in fh

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                            Finkster
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                            @zatenm:

                            Wearing my TFH horsehide today, layered with the SH-80 (a fav combo of mine):

                            Awesome combo / gear … Kudos!

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                            • zatenmZ
                              zatenm
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                              Thanks! Looking forward to it @grandmasterben  [emoji106][emoji4]

                              It's a weird sizing for me too @TrickHell. The shoulders are on the large side compared to the chest (I also see that same shoulder- heavy ratio on a couple of TFH shirts I have, must be the way the brand sizes up its tops).. BUT somehow it works [emoji106][emoji106]
                              Works best / great for me over an IH shirt, medium to heavy. I think the same might apply to yours…..

                              Thank you kind Sir @Finkster

                              WTB: IHSH-154 Grey M, IHSH-91 M

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                              • zatenmZ
                                zatenm
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                                @TrickHell:

                                @grandmasterben:

                                42 sounds too big man, I have a pic in 38 and 40 if it helps. I'm a 40 in fh

                                I measured my Schott and emailed Kiya. The 42 was his rec.

                                If it helps, mine is 42 as well and I'm usually a 38 (in IH). I tried the 40 in the shop and it was a clear no - I couldn't close it and /or lift my arms. I can do 40 if I remember well in the Buco though.. Weird sizing across [emoji53]

                                WTB: IHSH-154 Grey M, IHSH-91 M

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                                • zatenmZ
                                  zatenm
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                                  A medium I think (38 )

                                  WTB: IHSH-154 Grey M, IHSH-91 M

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                                    Anothercaller
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                                    Ironhearters, some advice please.

                                    I bought a pair of Flat Head denim the other day (3012) and had started the soak, shrink, wear, stretch process.

                                    However to my dismay, one of the rivets has popped off, please see attached pics.

                                    I'm not new to raw denim, I have experience with LVC shrink-to-fit and a few one-wash Omnigods. So to see this happen on the top button really makes me think about returning these.

                                    They came from 2nd Shop on Rakuten so we'll see about how good they are about returns/exchanges but I have a feeling this may be a tricky one. For a pair of £200+ jeans this is not what I expected.

                                    Advice and help please!

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                                      Giles
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                                      Stuff like that just happens from time to time.  Sometimes the fault just can't be detected.  Ask the retailer who sold them to you to get another pair or fix those….

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      • ben2tB
                                        ben2t
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                                        Shits happens, easy fix email 2nd with photo and order number and ask for a few buttons.

                                        MY DENIM MY RULES!
                                        Noypits…

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                                          Anothercaller
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                                          Yeah, I hear you both, I'm trying not be a whinger but for a pair of extremely expensive denim I was hoping for a little more robustness!

                                          I have emailed 2nd and will report back for those in a similar situation.

                                          @Giles do you still take care of FH interest in Europe? If I encounter any resistance would you be able to help?

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                                          • GilesG
                                            Giles
                                            IHUK Crew
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                                            You buy off Rakuten, you get it sorted out yourself, you buy off an authorized western dealer we'll fall over ourselves to help you.  That's what we do.

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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