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      Danny RnH
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      @Danny:

      @grandmasterben:

      It's just the glory park flannels that fit way smaller right? Do the others fit smaller or just shorter? And was this intentional?  I've no clue…

      All FH shirts are now made a little shorter in body length unless otherwise requested by a retailer.

      Danny
      www.rivetandhide.com

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        Oh hot damn…good for me!!

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        • Black OrchidB
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          . Don't feel too upset, (know it's hard not too ) as there is a very healthy selling and trading element on here! @private eyes [emoji4]

          Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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            footandmaff
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            I'm really keen to get some flat head shirts but struggling to track down any in a 36. I particularly liked that indigo and white houndstooth western they did last last year, but man it seems like those things are gold dust!

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              grandmasterben
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              Rakuten is your best bet…but 36s are insanely small... Like smaller than xs

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                @grandmasterben:

                Rakuten is your best bet…but 36s are insanely small... Like smaller than xs

                Mine are 36, and I don't think they're that small. Im 5'10, 145lbs and fits great.

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                  footandmaff
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                  Yeah I know, I tried on the 38 in this year's buffalo flannel in the western cut and it was too big. I've already broached with Giles that XS in Iron Heart is too large for me! UES size 1 seems like a good fit but I'm keen to branch out.

                  Edit: Been scouring Rakuten as well, thanks for the tip Ben. It seems like 2nd seem to sell a lot of Flat Head stuff but I can't make head nor tail of whether stuff is manufacturer and I'm pre-ordering for next season, or if it's previously pre-ordered stuff they have for sale!

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                    grandmasterben
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                    Yeah it's iffy… Good luck finding what you want!

                    Jawnz looking pretty tasty if I may say so myself.

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                      Snowy
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                      Yeah, they're looking good. Looks like a pretty miserable winter there too 😉

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                      • Cold SummerC
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                        Guys, as someone who used to work for Flat Head, I can tell you that Giles' evaluation of the business dynamic is spot on.  They make a great product but the Japanese-ness can make business dealings difficult.  My impression of what I've read about Haraki is that he is a major outlier from the normal Japanese way of thinking about business stuff - and it seems like it's worked out well for everyone involved in his case.

                        I love how a lot of Iron Heart shirts look but the fits just absolutely wouldn't work for me.  On a shirt like the IHSH-109, for example, a Medium would fit me pretty good, except for being 4-5 inches too big in the chest.  Flat Head's shirts fit great through the body, but I really wish they were longer in the sleeves and hem.  Being tall and skinny really sucks if you're into cool clothes.

                        We have enough jean companies already, what we need is a company making awesome shirts from selvedge fabrics that are tailor-made.  If I had any interest in (or knowledge about) running a business, this is what I would do.

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                        • QinhanQ
                          Qinhan
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                          ^ In what capacity did you work for Flat Head?

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                            @Cold:

                            Guys, as someone who used to work for Flat Head, I can tell you that Giles' evaluation of the business dynamic is spot on.  They make a great product but the Japanese-ness can make business dealings difficult.  My impression of what I've read about Haraki is that he is a major outlier from the normal Japanese way of thinking about business stuff - and it seems like it's worked out well for everyone involved in his case.

                            I love how a lot of Iron Heart shirts look but the fits just absolutely wouldn't work for me.  On a shirt like the IHSH-109, for example, a Medium would fit me pretty good, except for being 4-5 inches too big in the chest.  Flat Head's shirts fit great through the body, but I really wish they were longer in the sleeves and hem.  Being tall and skinny really sucks if you're into cool clothes.

                            We have enough jean companies already, what we need is a company making awesome shirts from selvedge fabrics that are tailor-made.  If I had any interest in (or knowledge about) running a business, this is what I would do.

                            I can't agree with this post more. We must share a similar body type. I'm good with the IH fits, but Flat Head would be a serious home run if the shirts were cut longer with longer arms. No question. They simply aren't suited to long, lanky men.

                            And you're dead on about shirts. There's hay to be made focusing exclusively on finely loomed selvedge fabric shirts if only for the fact that so much more variation is possible. It does seem to me that there's a hole in the market that companies like Iron Heart and Flat Head are addressing… but not filling.

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                              Omega Man
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                              I think Cold Summer re wrote all the English product info on THF's.  He went to visit the people who actually made the clothes / jeans - all in the Flat Head thread in super denim if I recall correctly.
                              I am the opposite.  TFH sizing just doesn't work for me.

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                                @Omega:

                                I think Cold Summer re wrote all the English product info on THF's.  He went to visit the people who actually made the clothes / jeans - all in the Flat Head thread in super denim if I recall correctly.
                                I am the opposite.  TFH sizing just doesn't work for me.

                                Yeah, to be clear, that's how it is for me too. TFH shirts are too short in the body and arms for me. Consistently. The shoulders and chest are cut great, but they're just too short. I like the IH approach better, but could totally see wanting a slimmer body version.

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                                • SuperfluousS
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                                  ^ Agree with the foregoing observations re TFH shirt cuts.  I invariably have to upsize in order to get sufficient sleeve length, but then the shoulders are often too large.

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                                    Flat Head workshirts are generally perfect on me (I have 7,all in size 42), except for the last one I bought, a black pin hickory from 2013ish, which seems quite a bit slimmer in the chest than the others.

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                                      footandmaff
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                                      @Surf:

                                      Yeah, to be clear, that's how it is for me too. TFH shirts are too short in the body and arms for me. Consistently. The shoulders and chest are cut great, but they're just too short. I like the IH approach better, but could totally see wanting a slimmer body version.

                                      Completely agree, as much as I love the Iron Heart shirts, and would love to buy one, the sizing is just too big for me in the chest even in the westerns. I've yet to pick up a Flat Head shirt but the sizing on 36s definitely seems to be closer to my shape.

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                                      • Cold SummerC
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                                        I did work on translation/English stuff but my primary role was in sales, I took care of orders for places like Rivet and Hide, Pronto, and Self Edge.

                                        I actually have some cool stuff on the way from Flat Head next week!  A new pair of 20 oz. 2111 jeans and a beautiful new cordovan wallet I custom ordered.

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                                        • AnesthetistA
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                                          That wallet looks amazing, I would really like to see closeups when it arrives.

                                          IG: bluehandsslim

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                                          • Cold SummerC
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                                            You bet!  These days I mostly carry around my wallet in my Voyej bag so I wanted something that was simple, classy, and which would have a slim profile in my bag.  Although I won't be surprised if I end up using it in my back pocket some of the time.

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