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    • Megatron1505M
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      Association football is an English invention  😉

      The penalty kick has been around for a fair while too…

      The invention of the penalty kick is also credited to the goalkeeper and businessman William McCrum in 1890 in Milford, County Armagh, Ireland. The Irish Football Association presented the idea to the International Football Association Board and finally after much debate, the board approved the idea on 2 June 1891.

      Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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      • Megatron1505M
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        I see what you mean about the penalty shoot out though…

        Penalty shoot-outs were used to decide matches in UEFA's European Cup and Cup Winners' Cup in the 1970–71 season. The first ever European Cup shoot out was between Everton F.C. and Borussia Mönchengladbach, with Everton winning 4–3. On 30 September 1970, after a 4–4 aggregate draw in the first round of the Cup Winners' Cup, Honvéd won the first shoot-out 5–4 against Aberdeen, when Jim Forrest's shot hit the bar.

        But it is better than it's predecessor….

        Before the introduction of shoot-outs, knock-out matches level after extra time would be decided by a replay or a coin toss.

        Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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          When football was being pushed in the US in the 70s (New York Cosmos, Tampa Bay Rowdies, etc), didn't they have some kind of shoot-out system to determine a 'positive' outcome for drawn matches, whereby players ran from the halfway line (or something) dribbling a ball and then attempted to beat the keeper? Or is this something I'm completely imagining?!

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          • Megatron1505M
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            No, it happened  :-\

            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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              Thanks Gav, I've had a few Duvels this evening so am not sure of my own mind right now!

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              • Chiba J.C
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                Speaking of penalty shootouts…....

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                • Megatron1505M
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                  Unbelievable penalty save from Navas.

                  Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                  • 501IH5
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                    Who is doing the dramaturgy of this? Another nail biter, with a goalless first half, then the team in arrears equalling it, but this one then going to the penalties. Wow. Congrats to Costa Rica, which seems to have many fans here among the forum. Already look forward to seeing them playing the Dutch.

                    Keep your jeans on–-and let nothing come in between you and the denim !

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      I was mainly referring to the shootout, but even the PK could be rethought. I pay zero attention to tradition. Who cares how they've done it for X amount of time? Everything is subject to challenge and rethought. There's no reason to assume they got everything right the first time.

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • Chiba J.C
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                        I feel the exact same way. Particularly in regard to the Constitution.

                        Which is actually more relevant to this debate than it would seem. Much hinges on whether you adhere to "common law" of custom and precedent or "natural law" and its enlightenment ideals of justice and equality.

                        Mega used "gridiron" as a casual reference to Amefuto, but that grid, transposed off the field and onto a whole continent, is the best example of the lengths the early Americans were willing to go to promote a fair playing field (while kicking out the original inhabitants and enslaving others etc etc…)

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          Remember this one?

                          Think it, be it.

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                          • Megatron1505M
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                            The debate over poor or seemingly unfair officiating, and the thrill of a penalty shoot out are two of the things which make football interesting in my opinion. By modifying the way it is done you remove all that, it cancels the debate and sacrifices genuine excitement with a chance of an unfair result in the name of cheap entertainment and fairness. Life isn't fair and neither is football.

                            There is and always will be an argument to change the way that certain things are done (goal line technology is a great example of this "progress"), but I like to keep the sport as human as possible. Without the debate over human error, or in Robbens case human cheating, you take away much of the discussion element which makes the sport so beloved all over the world.

                            Imagine if Maradonna's hand of god had been subject to an instant video replay and simply been disallowed and a free kick awarded. It would have denied the sport one of its biggest talking points, lessened tensions between two former adversaries and deprived Englishmen of a generations worth of righteous indignation.

                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                              As another Brit, I completely agree with Mega. I've heard the argument countless times and it does seem to be a football vs non-football nation/culture one.

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                                The semi-final of the 1968 European Championships between Italy and USSR saw Italy progress after a drawn game as the result of a coin toss. Compared to that a penalty shoutout seems very fair and progressive!

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                                • hajdukH
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                                  As not brit, same agreememt with mega.
                                  Fotball has to stay the much possible human. With all the goods and all the shits!
                                  What a joke this i don't know 3D view on the keeper line…
                                  Referee is a full actor of the football. Of every match. That's the rule. A good one.
                                  Too much video is, will kill what is the football.

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                                  "Ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have" James Baldwin.

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                                  • SeulS
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                                    Video killed the Mega store.

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                                    • SeulS
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                                      I would change one thing though: immediate gun squad execution for every diver. Robben should be trampled by donkeys though. Or thrown of a cliff.

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                                      • hajdukH
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                                        okay Eli.
                                        but what do you propose for every cannibal´s player? 😉

                                        "Ignorance, allied with power, is the most ferocious enemy justice can have" James Baldwin.

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                                          Interesting fact about the etymology of the term 'soccer' that I just looked up:

                                          soccer (n.)
                                          1889, socca, later socker (1891), soccer (1895), originally university slang (with jocular formation -er (3)), from a shortened form of Assoc., abbreviation of association in Football Association (as opposed to Rugby football); compare rugger. An unusual method of formation, but those who did it perhaps shied away from making a name out of the first three letters of Assoc.

                                          We could all be watching asser now instead!

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                                          • SeulS
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                                            @hajduk:

                                            okay Eli.
                                            but what do you propose for every cannibal´s player? 😉

                                            Toss 'm in the shark tank.

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