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    • S
      Seth
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      Does anyone have experience using natural Japanese sharpening stones? I'm considering switching over from Japanese ceramic stones in 1000, 3000, 6000, etc over to natural stones, or at least learning about them for a while first.

      However, natural stones use general descriptions like Ara-to-ishi, Naka-to-ishi, and Shiage-to-ishi (for corse to fine) and rating categories of 1-5. It's somewhat more vague than a specific grit rating. Also I have no idea how to tell a crap natural stone from a great one. I've seen them for $20 and $20,000.

      Anyone know of an introduction to Japanese natural stones?

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        Introduction, no, but I have one I can recommend: http://www.amazon.com/Woodstock-SteeleX-D1130-Japanese-Waterstone/dp/B0000DD2C9/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1390144477&sr=8-3-fkmr1&keywords=Steelex+d1140

        Actually I think there's a YouTube of a guy too that's good let me find it.

        Not the one I had in mind but here is one:

        There's one of a guy who uses a cinder block. His point is that technique is much more important than grit. Couldn't find it, sorry.

        Think it, be it.

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        • DougNgD
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          I believe Murray Carter has a video or book on it. Never got into it, too much of a pain in the ass for an edge I don't much need

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          I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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          • mclaincauseyM
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            What do you use doug? I have a sharpmaker but I'm not sure it's going to be good for my Ohta whenever I need to sharpen it.

            Think it, be it.

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            • DougNgD
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              The long answer: depends

              Quick touch up: Stropman Billy. I use all four sides

              Quick sharpening: Spyderco Sharpmaker

              Every once in awhile (I can usually tell when my knife needs a re beveling), belt sander. I do not recommend doing this unless you know what you're doing

              I also travel with a Spyderco Double Stuff and freehand sharpen if my edge needs it. I strop on the top of my thigh with my jeans

              Learning to freehand sharpen is more useful than any sharpening widget you can buy though. I can put a working edge on my knife with a rock, the top of a car window, or the bottom of a coffee mug

              I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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              • DougNgD
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                A more direct answer to your question: it looks like that Ohta has a pretty thin edge. I would recommend getting yourself a Stropman four sided strop with each grit paste he offers. Get the one with three rough sides and one smooth side for polishing

                I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                • mclaincauseyM
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                  Thanks man, that's helpful, I'll look into the strops.

                  I do use the jeans strop trick 🙂

                  Think it, be it.

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                  • AnesthetistA
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                    St. Louis knife show next weekend!!!

                    IG: bluehandsslim

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                      mclain - thanks for the pointer to Carter. I watched an hour or so of videos and worked on my Cara Cara a bit more. It's much sharper than from the factory and I'm pleased with the polished edge. However, this close up shows that I still could have done better in a few spots:

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                      • seawolfS
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                        I use a tri-stone for all my knives.

                        “Good design is actually a lot harder to notice than poor design, in part because good designs fit our needs so well that the design is invisible” - Don Norman

                        @zeebeeleather

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                        • pillowPANTSP
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                          Ive had a Lansky sharpening system similar to the one below for 10+yrs and its always worked great. 4 dif angle settings and it keeps a very uniform edge

                          One to show the dif angles that can be used and how its used

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            Hm, I bet the Wicked Edge dude was inspired by that, there are some similarities, aside from the orientation being different.

                            Think it, be it.

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                            • mclaincauseyM
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                              Just heard back from the gentleman I commissioned to make me a desert ironwood scale and lockbar overtravel stop for my Spyderco Southard. He will complete the finishing this evening and ship tomorrow. Let's just say I'm quite pleased with his work. We discussed it and he made it to my specifications, no lanyard hole and a smoother framelock cutout.

                              Think it, be it.

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                              • DougNgD
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                                The new Work Sharp device is all the rage these days. Same basic idea as a belt sander, but comes with an attached jig

                                Mclain, who did you go with? That guy in Europe? I think his name is Cuscadi, not sure

                                I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                • DougNgD
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                                  @mclaincausey:

                                  Hm, I bet the Wicked Edge dude was inspired by that, there are some similarities, aside from the orientation being different.

                                  There were dozens of rigs like that when Wicked Edge came out. Lansky has had one out forever, DMT has had one for years, the Edgepro Apex was the standard for a lot of years…

                                  I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                  • mclaincauseyM
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                                    It's so expensive. It seems though that being able to do each side at the same time instead of one at a time is an advantage unless I'm mistaking the design of the thing.

                                    Doug, I picked up a 4 sided stropman with a smooth side, thanks for the recommendation.

                                    Steven Ketchen made the scale and stop. It was USD90. I think he's American. He has awesome burled walnut and other materials that are less than half that price, but I specifically requested the ironwood.

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • pillowPANTSP
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                                      The lansky can do both sides aswell. In the pic with buddy sharpening  the part he is holding is the exact same as the top part that is visible. Just flip the whole thing over and ta da, u r ready for the other side lol

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                                      • pillowPANTSP
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                                        PS- that ironwood looks beauts mcl!!
                                        Im thinkin about getting one of these badboys from ArizonaIronwood

                                        And NO Seul…...its not a dild

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                                        • mclaincauseyM
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                                          Whoah. Those are badass. I'll have to post a pic of my thug thumper later.

                                          Think it, be it.

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                                          • DougNgD
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                                            I'm not sure I would crack skulls with something as nice as that.

                                            I have half a dozen rattan sticks lying randomly around my house (I didn't place them there, they just get strewn all over the place somehow)

                                            I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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