Viberg
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didnt vibergs use to cost around 400-500 until they got more popular and they jacked the price to 700+?
when i finally caught the bug they were priced between 500 and 650 (at full retail). it was much easier to get a pair on sale for maybe 400 if you had small feet like me or were willing to pick up an ugly boot no one else wanted when vendors were clearing inventory (not so long ago maybe two years or so).
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And about price, didnt vibergs use to cost around 400-500 until they got more popular and they jacked the price to 700+?
That's a good looking boot with Goodyear welt, and they give reason why..
I remember when I posted a link to an interview with Brett where he said he wanted to charge more. Then Brett joined, said the quote was taken out of context. Now their boots cost $700+. Im not mad at Viberg, they can charge what they want, and clearly the market is willing to pay the price of admission. But I am of the mind that $450-$500 for a MTO pair of White;s horse hide boots makes more sense than this $1000 business.
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Personally I'd rather pay the price…. I think at some point when your spending this amount on boots you've clearly toed a line that your more concerned with the quality and craftsmanship than bargain shopping. Bare in mind this is just my opinion and how I look at it but I would much rather pay $700 + for exactly what I want and can hold on to for a lifetime than compromise to save a little bit.
You can pay $400ish for a pair of Whites that are made exactly how you want them, made of the same exact leathers, same exact vibram soles and same boot making techniques as Viberg or you can pay $300+ extra for maybe 10% more attention to detail.
I wouldn't consider Whites bargain shopping, they are the standard when it comes to value. Not sure if Whites are what you're referring to, but there are reasonable options in the custom boot category with equal if not better quality and craftsmanship compared to Viberg.
This debate will always go back and forth but there really is no way to rationalize the price difference. This is not a Timex vs. Rolex type quality comparison here. People buy Vibergs because they like the way they look and because they have the money for it, it's that simple.@bl@ster:
Maybe the Goodyear welting change will bring prices down from "totally absurd" to just "slightly absurd." And maybe they can set up a customization web presence rather than the bogus easter egg hunt that they have now. Just sayin'.
Couldn't agree more.
I love this from Brett,"It's fashion, it's not for function. The end user is not a 300lb fat bastard…"
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I actually was not referring to whites it was a statement made in general, but Actually… you can not pay $400 for whites and get them the way you want them if you desire something they do not make. This was actually my point to begin with and was the beginning of the post concerning the Goodyear welt change. I'm a fan of the 310 last with turned toe and i also prefer a stitched down upper . I hope that this stays around because I for one am willing to pay the extra hundred to two hundred to get it made the way I like instead of settling. Furthermore I can't speak from personal experience but From what I've seen throughout the forum whites has more constructional flaws or errors, minor though they maybe, that deterred me and honestly the drunk driving stitching ive seen lately is completely out of line for a company to allow out the door who charges that price point. IDC who makes the boot if I recieve that I would be livid. But as I stated before this is my opinion, I'm sure some people like what whites has to offer, and I'm sure their boots are amazing but... Like the post states... I would rather pay and get EXACTLY what I want and that was the bottom line, if you like whites buy whites.... If you like viberg buy them. It makes me no difference. But just as you stated that the quality is not timex vs. Rolex neither is the price point. Anyway you split it this is a large amount of money. It's a statement that the general public that does not spend 450-700 on a pair of boots thinks we are all a bunch of nutjobs and would say that either of us are crazy and would also assert that the only reason ANYONE purchases whites, wesco, viberg et. al. Is because "they like the way they look and they have the money." ... I would not read to much into it "cause.... Like.... That's just [my] opinion, man" -the dude
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I actually was not referring to whites it was a statement made in general, but Actually… you can not pay $400 for whites and get them the way you want them if you desire something they do not make. This was actually my point to begin with and was the beginning of the post concerning the Goodyear welt change. I'm a fan of the 310 last with turned toe and i also prefer a stitched down upper . I hope that this stays around because I for one am willing to pay the extra hundred to two hundred to get it made the way I like instead of settling. Furthermore I can't speak from personal experience but From what I've seen throughout the forum whites has more constructional flaws or errors, minor though they maybe, that deterred me and honestly the drunk driving stitching ive seen lately is completely out of line for a company to allow out the door who charges that price point. IDC who makes the boot if I recieve that I would be livid. But as I stated before this is my opinion, I'm sure some people like what whites has to offer, and I'm sure their boots are amazing but... Like the post states... I would rather pay and get EXACTLY what I want and that was the bottom line, if you like whites buy whites.... If you like viberg buy them. It makes me no difference. But just as you stated that the quality is not timex vs. Rolex neither is the price point. Anyway you split it this is a large amount of money. It's a statement that the general public that does not spend 450-700 on a pair of boots thinks we are all a bunch of nutjobs and would say that either of us are crazy and would also assert that the only reason ANYONE purchases whites, wesco, viberg et. al. Is because "they like the way they look and they have the money." ... I would not read to much into it "cause.... Like.... That's just [my] opinion, man" -the dude
i dont believe that the good year welting will change the looks at all
the 310 last will still be the 310 last
the outsole stitching will still be there
and if it drops the pricing down a little bit im all for it -
Full Big Decision EP for those interested; http://fullepisode.info/the-big-decision-season-2-episode-4-redwood-viberg-boots/
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I'm just going off the conversations with Morgan and what they have implied. I certainly don't want to speculate how this could change the approach they take to connecting to the last and welt as I do not build boots. He conveyed exactly what I have alluded to: that this was being put in to action in the next six months to try to speed up the build process and that as of now it had not yet been determined that stitch down would be phased out but would keep me posted on their direction. Those were his words without me mentioning anything about stitch down, I can only assume that this could be effected by the new process because he brought that up to me. I simply asked if the machine welt was the direction the company was moving toward as a whole or if it would be an option and that was his response.
There are some diagrams online that can be accessed if you wish to see how the upper connects on a goodyear welt though and these suggest the same as what Morgan has stated.
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So ready for my engineers!!!! Beautiful sir!
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Those seriously have me reconsidering my next build to a horse butt engineer
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^ here's one in the 110 last:
Iced Mocha Chromexcel, Bobcats on a 110 last, Vibram#269 dress sole…
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@LA:
Incidentally:
First ever Viberg Sample Sale, only on Styleforum, starting soon:
This is basically the first true Viberg sample sale ever and it's exclusive to us.
Prices starting at $300. Sale includes everything from collab pieces, sample leathers/soles, handcut patterns, cordovan, etc.
Sale will run at least a month with several batches of boots getting posted.
First batch is 30 styles.
Flat rate shipping is $25 in N. America and $50 for International. All sales will be final. -
@guyferguson:
Hey everyone,
Just to clear a few things up. The sale will be posted tomorrow afternoon in a dedicated thread. We'll promote it as soon as it's up so you won't have any trouble finding it. 30 styles are shot and ready to go up tomorrow and we've probably got another 30 that will get posted in bunches as the month goes on. This sale will incude a bit of everything. Because Viberg has never really done a sample sale there are pairs from years ago, right up to very recent stuff. You've got overrun boots, collab pieces, cosmetic seconds, sample leathers/soles, hand cut patterns, cordovan, etc all in a variety of sizes. Prices will start at $300 and go up to $500 for things like cordovan. Shipping is flat rate $25 for N. America and $50 for International. Payments will be taken via paypal at info@viberg.com. Essentially, if you are interested in a pair you will email us the details and then we will respond with a paypal invoice. All sales are final.
We've already received a ton of emails and we expect boots to move quickly. If there is a pair in your size that you want i suggest jumping on them. We will certainly do our best with sizing and other questions, but priority will go to those ready to buy. Hope that clears some things up. I suggest everyone save your questions until you've seen the thread as things will be pretty self explanatory once it's up. If there is something i've missed feel free to ask here or contact us at info@viberg.com.
For those of you wondering about my involvement, i've stepped away from my day-to-day role at Four Horsemen and have taken a full time position at Viberg where i am working on some new and very exciting projects (more on those in the coming months). I'll still have an active role in 4H behind the scenes and will continue to help with the buying and special projects.
http://www.styleforum.net/t/224463/viberg-boots/300
I have a feeling being in Australia's going to feck me on this. Not that I need or want a pair, but good deals are good deals
GOOD LUCK GENTS!
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It seems that this could get a bit chaotic?
(doesnt matter if Viberg, Rising Sun, Flat Head, MF, IH etc) its an individual choice. to each his/her own
