White's Boots
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just realized there's this small info section on bakers about leathers and all, with real images….
http://www.bakershoe.com/attribute-details.cfm/brand/whites-boots/
this sure would've helped alot more than the computerized one buildaboot provides…That doesn't have all the options on there. Off hand, I know the desert sand roughout isn't listed
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Ermahgerd!
Leather 1: Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Leather 2: Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Toe Vamp Leather: Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Toe Cap Leather: None
Celastic Toe Box: Single
Steel Toe: No
Heel Counter Leather: Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Height: 8"
Upper (Shaft) Leather : Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Leather Liner: Tan
Sole Trim: Close Trim
Top: Rolled
Back Stay Leather: Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Pull Loop: Yes
Eyelet Color: Brass
Eyelet Configuration : Hook and Eyelet
Top Garment: Eyelet
Lace Design: Plain Toe
Lace: Leather
False Tongue: Brown Chrome Excel by Horween
Sole: Vib 430
Half Slip: No
Heel Shape: Curve
Heel Height: Standard
Last: #38 Swing Last
Midsole: Standard
Midsole/Edge Color: Natural
Size - Length: 13
Size - Width: E -
Close sole trim has only one line of welt stitching. It's strictly an appearance thing, by the way. The second line of welt stitching does not add any greater durability; in fact some bootmakers argue that it reduces the strength of the welt by adding holes and weakening the leather.
In no way am I disagreeing with you, but I would love to know where you got this info, where it was discussed. I am a satisfied traditionalist when it comes to White's, and have no interest in most of the fancy options or exotic leathers, block heels or swing lasts, that are all the rave these days, but… the double welt stitching on White's has always been a curiosity for me. I have owned enough pairs to be able expound on the advantages of two rows of stitching, but I just don't know of any.
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I used to participate in a few fora dedicated to cowboy boots and bootmaking; the discussion of multiple rows of welt stitching came up a few times and I remember the topic only in general terms, really. I can't point you to specific posts or authoritative articles on the subject, but I'll dig around and see if I can find some sources for my previous statement.
I don't have any boots with double stitched welts, so all my knowledge is theoretical. If you have different experiences, I'd love to hear about it. I could certainly be wrong about this, since I'm often wrong about a great many things.
EDIT: The Custom Cowboy Boots & Shoes Forum had a discussion about double stitched welts a couple of years ago. It devolved, (like a lot of discussions there did) but it does have some useful information. The Crispin Colloquy is run by D.W. Frommer and also has lots of detailed info about the art and craft of shoe and boot making, but it's a massive hassle to search topics there. If you dig around, you may find something useful. Frommer (DWFII) is also an active member over at StyleForum, btw.
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Does anyone know the difference between these?
Baker's Oxford
Offer Natural Chromexcel and you can do multi-tone leathers. More sole options. Also, looks like a double stitch down midsole. Looks like they might be made by Nick's boots.
http://www.bakershoe.com/shop-by-brand.cfm/brand/bakers-boots/product/bakers-oxford/and
Baker's Oxford by White's
More leather options
http://www.bakershoe.com/shop-by-brand.cfm/brand/whites-boots/product/bakers-oxford-by-whites-boots/ -
unharmed,
I don't know enough about the swing last to make any learned comment on it…but pretty much configured this very same shoe right down to the size
Good to meet another man of taste (and large feet
)To be honest, it was pictures of ronaldish's pair from this thread that settled me finally on leather choices. Precisely the colour/texture I wanted.
I went with the swing last as it apparently makes for a slightly roomier toe box I have quite wide feet with a very high arch so that area of shoes is always a difficult fitting point for me.
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i believe hathorn can't be resoled/repaired?
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@riffblaster:
i believe hathorn can't be resoled/repaired?
That's not really true.
I found this description on another forum and added some info, which I believe is fairly accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Whites, Hathorn Hi-Line and Hathorn are all hand made by Whites in Spokane. Within these, the regular Whites materials (leather, midsoles, soles…) are the most handled/built/finished by hand by the folks at Whites. Also, the leather and other materials are of the highest quality in the Whites, then Hathorn Hi-Line, then Hathorn, then Hathorn Explorer... hence the price differences.
The Hathorn Hi-Line & Hathorn are more of a kit (materials produced elsewhere) and then built by hand by the Whites folks. These 3 lines are rebuildable by Whites.
The cheapest line is the Hathorn Explorer line which is the least handled/built by the same Whites folks & cannot be rebuilt by Whites(not sure about this). Some of these are also machine lasted.
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6 to 10 weeks, depending on when you order. Their current lead time should be on either the Whites or Bakers Facebook page.
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hey guys, from experience, how long do you think it actually takes for these boots to be made? it's been 2 weeks and it still says it's pending..
its going to say that for a long time. I had the same "issue".
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I just placed an order for the Engineer boots through Bakers and they estimated the wait at 8-10 weeks right now. It's well worth it.
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so i guess it's normal…? it won't change til it's ready to get shipped?
pretty much. plan on 8 weeks. at week 7.5, send off an e-mail to Kyle and see if he can get you an update. Getting teh UPS shipping e-mail is one of the best e-mails after such a wait.
