Iron Heart Products - What do you think we should make?
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I've love some cotton duck or hickory stripe shorts! 
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Shorts wouldn't interest me AT ALL. Men's shorts would look retarded on me (not short-short enough) plus – Oakland/SF/Berkeley never gets hot enough to justify wearing shorts. But here's what I'd be interested in : A pair of 22-oz cotton duck pants -- similar to the Super Blacks. I don't do sub-21-oz in pants, period. Button-fly preferred but zip would be OK. I remember more than 3 years ago, Derek pulled out a pair of these from the dark annals of Self Edge San Francisco stock...asked me if I wanted them for $100. Don't know if they were 21-oz but they sure looked and felt it. Their style was identical to the Super Blacks, except zip fly. As I remember, those did not resemble today's 16-oz ducks which Giles has on his website. To this day, I regret not snatching those. They were in my size too ! Haraki-San...if you are listening ? I think there would be a big demand for 21-22-oz cotton ducks styled identically to the Super Blacks. 
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Shub's - I believe you are speaking about the Original Cotton Duck Loggers which were Sans-Double Knee. A product no longer made and only owned by Giles and PETEROCK1 from what I can remember. I would love a pair myself as I don't have much need for the double knees… 
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I don't need the double knees either, but they sure help to keep you warm when it's frigid out (-12F right now…it'll be a loggers day). 
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@shubharamani: Shorts wouldn't interest me AT ALL. Men's shorts would look retarded on me (not short-short enough) plus – Oakland/SF/Berkeley never gets hot enough to justify wearing shorts. But here's what I'd be interested in : A pair of 22-oz cotton duck pants -- similar to the Super Blacks. I don't do sub-21-oz in pants, period. Button-fly preferred but zip would be OK. I remember more than 3 years ago, Derek pulled out a pair of these from the dark annals of Self Edge San Francisco stock...asked me if I wanted them for $100. Don't know if they were 21-oz but they sure looked and felt it. Their style was identical to the Super Blacks, except zip fly. As I remember, those did not resemble today's 16-oz ducks which Giles has on his website. To this day, I regret not snatching those. They were in my size too ! Haraki-San...if you are listening ? I think there would be a big demand for 21-22-oz cotton ducks styled identically to the Super Blacks. I've got a pair of those, they're 16oz. G 
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The Double Knee is OK but I'm hung up on the 21-oz. I'm sure that 16-oz probably feels plenty heavy enough but I prefer heavier weight for the money. That's why I don't buy Flathead, Skull or any other brand…I'm addicted to the ultra-heavy-weight pants, and that's why I gravitated to Iron Heart in the first place. 
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@shubharamani: The Double Knee is OK but I'm hung up on the 21-oz. I'm sure that 16-oz probably feels plenty heavy enough but I prefer heavier weight for the money. That's why I don't buy Flathead, Skull or any other brand…I'm addicted to the ultra-heavy-weight pants, and that's why I gravitated to Iron Heart in the first place. The reason we don't make them at the moment is that we can't even find 16oz Duck that Haraki feels happy with - same reason the Cotton Duck Riders Jacket is no longer made. When I was last at IHHQ, I saw some samples of some super heavy fabrics which will emarge as jeans later in the year - watch this space… 
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I'd like to see some olive green duck pants. Sounds great! Glad to hear it may be coming true! 
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@shubharamani: Giles, something like the Heavy Black Denim Western shirt IHSH-08 in an olive green or khaki duck would be beautiful ! Also, seriously – RED would kick ass ! An IHSH-08 in bright fire engine red would be sharp. There's something in the pipeline that may work for you, let you know as soon as I am able 


