Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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When things were really getting ridiculous I’d thought about the BP / M&S option. If that proved fruitless (Ithangyou) my Plan C was to jump on a motorway and try a service station.
It’s all much more civilised now, I’m happy to report.
Twats.
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My mom lives in northern Japan and she told me not all schools are closed and that even restaurants are open. She said that it’s up to each prefecture to decide on closures, kinda like how each state decides here in the US. She went on a bit of a rant about the young people in Japan not taking the pandemic seriously.
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Has it been like that or is everyone in a panic because Boris just tested positive?
Either way it's a good idea. Especially for all those elderly people right in front of you.
It's been like that for about a week. I had not seen it before as I was in
hibernationself-isolationIn a lot of the supermarkets, they have a special hour for the elderly and key-workers, when no one else is allowed to shop.
Things on ration (that I noticed) today:
Tomato purée - 1 per person
Biscuits - 1 pack per person
Beer - 4 per person
Wine - 3 per personBiscuits, beer, and wine, I get. Tomato puree though-
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My mom lives in northern Japan and she told me not all schools are closed and that even restaurants are open. She said that it’s up to each prefecture to decide on closures, kinda like how each state decides here in the US. She went on a bit of a rant about the young people in Japan not taking the pandemic seriously.
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yeah but i feel like japan will be alright through all this. the people there have a much better civic mindedness than us. the citizens there tend to play their personal role in combatting this pandemic. i've been reading a lot of articles about how taiwan has managed to circumvent using lockdowns in it's measures and a lot of it comes down to the people there playing their part in the measures they take.
Biscuits, beer, and wine, I get. Tomato puree though-
tomato puree is used often in stews. i suppose that's why maybe..
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Some shops are strictly 1 of each item, some are strictly 2.i wanted to buy a 4 pint bottle of milk for us, and a 2 pint for my parents in the CO OP but was told I could only buy 1.i said I understood, and asked how I could then also buy supplies for my elderly parents. I was told I could leave the store and the return in a while to buy more..
Seriously, so a) I could buy a whole 2nd round of groceries, which could basically be for me and
spend even more time than is necessary transmitting the virus to more shoppers (if I was a carrier, which as far as I know, I'm not).Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has also tested positive… At this rate the whole cabinet will drop, and Corbyn will be Prime minister after all
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With Japan, the truth is that we have no idea. The best indicators I have seen are those that trace the daily COVID deaths, starting all the curves at the same point (generally at the day the country hit 10 deaths). Unfortunately they are imperfect because many countries do not report the full COVID death number (e.g., France only counts deaths at hospitals). They are also a lagging indicator. It's very easy for countries to underreport the number of cases, willingly or not.
Japan has some things going for it, like the widespread use of masks, the fact that most people don't routinely shake hands, etc. It also has elements going against it like the high population density. In the past, the governments and media were rather less transparent than in the US; I'm not sure if it's still the case.
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With Japan, the truth is that we have no idea. The best indicators I have seen are those that trace the daily COVID deaths, starting all the curves at the same point (generally at the day the country hit 10 deaths). Unfortunately they are imperfect because many countries do not report the full COVID death number (e.g., France only counts deaths at hospitals). They are also a lagging indicator. It's very easy for countries to underreport the number of cases, willingly or not.
Japan has some things going for it, like the widespread use of masks, the fact that most people don't routinely shake hands, etc. It also has elements going against it like the high population density. In the past, the governments and media were rather less transparent than in the US; I'm not sure if it's still the case.
from all the new measures like distancing and stringent hygienic routines (which don't get me wrong is also important), the biggest takeaway i have so far on this ongoing issue by seeing how most countries deal with this is that contact tracing is the key and it is (or was) the most important issue on keeping cases low and stoping spread.
it worries me a lot when countries admit that they cannot link a case back to its source or that they have no idea where certain case numbers have been or be in contact with. because in that situation, there could be mega clusters that they have no idea about.
it might be easy to say this is perfect for smaller countries like singpaore and taiwan and it also might be a whole different ball game for a bigger one. sad to say, most didn't realise or implement it early enough before things spiral out of control.
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@louisbosco I largely agree with you. I believe that the largest failing of Western democracies so far has been the lack of fast testing.
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Booze.
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It’ll be interesting to see if his data proves correct.
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Quote from above article: "While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply don’t support such a dire scenario"
It depends what people mean by "months, or even years". If he's saying that everything over 4 weeks is too pessimistic, he's definitely going against the green. If he's saying: "we will have figured something in the next 2-3 months that will allow us to climb out of the hole", then I think he's well within the consensus.I haven't seen anyone mentioning millions of deaths in Western countries if we actually act semi rationally. Millions of deaths are if we just go about our business as if nothing had changed.
In other words, I think this article is based on a straw man argument.
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Still can’t find sanitizer or Clorox at the store. I’ve got a half a bottle of sanitizer left which I use sparingly. Plenty of bog roll and paper towels at Target though
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Still can’t find sanitizer or Clorox at the store. I’ve got a half a bottle of sanitizer left which I use sparingly. Plenty of bog roll and paper towels at Target though
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Hand sanitizer? In Austria pharmacies started to make their own…
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf
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On a different note:
Tokyo’s infection spike after Olympic delay sparks questions
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-30/tokyos-infection-spike-after-olympic-delay-sparks-questions -
I've found that sanitizing spray and wipes remained available long after hand sanitizer disappeared, and so did hard cleaning vinegar. All those will work (and so will soap as we all know by now).
Correct. For non medical people, washing hands with a soap for 30 sec is sufficient, the viral envelope of SARS-CoV-2 is not very firm.
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I've found that sanitizing spray and wipes remained available long after hand sanitizer disappeared, and so did hard cleaning vinegar. All those will work (and so will soap as we all know by now).
I’ve still got about 3/4 a bottle of Clorox left that I use for surfaces, so that should last awhile. but it’s hard to know when these items will be available again which is why I look. I did buy another refill bottle of liquid hand soap since my son and I use a lot of it. The wipes are redundant but I still look in case my ex-wife needs some.
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Much is reported about deaths in hospitals in the UK, and the British media has just picked up on residential care home deaths in France today.
Sadly we have had our first reports of care home deaths in our work today. The care home staff work tirelessly, putting themselves and others at risk because they do not have any PPE. We have been screaming at Government to get supplies to care providers for weeks. There is a significantly greater risk of deaths within the care home population than there is in hospitals. It just isn't being reported here yet.
I need PPE and I'm just not getting it. I've signed up to volunteer in my local area too, and will be in higher risk areas. We need those supplies yesterday!!
