Lifter problems
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yeah calories burned during a gym session can vary, mainly depending on how long you are resting between sets. Like @TrickHell I rest 45 seconds between each set which is basically enough time to load/unload weights and on leg days this can be brutal but I burn more calories that way by keeping the heart rate up.
Explain that to me please as I don't understand the logic.
(Also, Rippetoe would argue that you're not fully rested and therefore are lifting less than if you took longer rest, but maybe that's not your goal.)
when you only rest 45 seconds between each set your heart rate increases, stays increased, therefore burning calories. It's the same principle as HIIT (high intensity interval training) cardio where you run at an all out sprint for 30 seconds then walk for a minute, repeat.
You are absolutely right, you will not be able to lift as much weight because you are not resting as long which is exactly the point. Your muscles don't know weight, they know resistance. You will work your muscles harder this way even though by the third, fourth, fifth set you are lifting less weight than you would be if you rested longer. The best results I have ever seen personally in my weightlifting life have been from training like this. You will get great pumps and your muscles will be stimulated in a way that isn't the same as resting longer between sets.
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I'll also ad that after training like this for a couple months or so I did get stronger in the long run and I hit new PR's on all of my lifts.
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@TrickHell:
My current goal is to lower my BF to around 12 mostly through diet. I fucking hate cardio.
I've also heard that lifting burns calories even after you stop, but that might be Bro Science (TM).
Diet is really the only way of losing weight, as exercise doesn't burn a huge amount of calories.
Yes, your body will burn more calories after training, this is popularly known as Afterburn (because it sounds cool), or EPOC (Excess Post exercise Oxygen Consumption) if you want to go full nerd. Unfortunately this article suggests that the effect is overstated, and that people tend to eat more after a session, which counteracts it!
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In my experience if you run a deficit for more then 8 weeks then your gains dry up. The deficit will strip fat but you will not build more muscle and after a while you'll lose muscle. The key is both with bulking and cutting, to take the long view. About 400cal over or under maintainence depending on which direction you want to go and look for results after about 4 weeks.
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Muscle, Smoke, Mirrors is an interesting article about the psychological problems and myth-making that surrounds bodybuilders.
It doesn't mention whether getting punched in the face by another muscleman is an occupational hazard for lifters though.
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@TrickHell:
I do Madcow 5x5 and basically my only rest period is loading weight onto the bar, though I take three minutes before my Friday PR squat.
It has been years since I've lifted but madcow 5x5 is what I ran. Went from 143#s to 168#s in 10 weeks, it wasn't the gym work that was hard, it was all the god damn eating. At the end of the 10 weeks my jeans went from comfortably loose to squeezing in tight. I quit training and lost everything in about 4 weeks. I just don't have to dedication to the amount of eating required to make staying in the gym worth it.
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@TrickHell:
Lifting Report for the Week:
Weight: 79.5
Squat: 115x3*
Bench: 85x3
Dead: 115x5
Row: 85x3*
OHP: 55x5I feel I need to try this. I do all these moves at 3 sets of 8 reps, with bench, deadlift, OHP and squat at the beginning of my workouts and everything after as supporting moves. It's tempting to strip it all down and just practice these big fuckers at full whack…
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Do 5-3-1 mate. I have hit numbers that I was struggling with when I was 10kg heavier.
For example at 84kg
My last cycle I got
102.5Kg bench 7 reps
187.5kg dead 4 reps
Squat 125kg 6 reps
OHP 80kg 3Rested this week looking forward to starting again on Monday.
Another plus for me is my quads have actually got a bit smaller so jeans fit better.
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A thread I can relate to…
6'1 (185cm), 101kg, 27" thighs, squatter's ass, 36" waist.
Jeans are a nightmare, almost nothing nice fits well. Yes, Levi's 541s fit like a charm but the quality isn't good and they wear out.
I have the 1955S and wear them all the time. Lovely and comfy, and I'm happier in them than anything else I own. Not without flaws, as touched on already in this thread, primarily the front rise: it's so high it means I can't put shoes on with a phone in my pocket, can't use a larger phone, causes hip flair and crotch buldge, and just looks a bit odd generally. As they've worn in after 300 or so wears it looks a lot less odd I'm happy to say.
Not many suggestions in this thread sadly offer much hope to me: thighs either inadequate or rear rise is too low. As I get back to heavy weights I'll only grow again too...
I'm well off my old numbers in the gym at the mo, after a couple of bad injuries playing sports. Currently 170kg deads, 120kg squats for reps.
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Not many suggestions in this thread sadly offer much hope to me: thighs either inadequate or rear rise is too low. As I get back to heavy weights I'll only grow again too…
A new IH cut is on its was to save us all. Just don't call it a lifter cut…
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Not many suggestions in this thread sadly offer much hope to me: thighs either inadequate or rear rise is too low. As I get back to heavy weights I'll only grow again too…
A new IH cut is on its was to save us all. Just don't call it a lifter cut…
Oh really? Is this confirmed? Would be great for all the lifters/sportspeople out there… it saddens me that so much of fashion panders to scrawny blokes who've never played a jot of sport... well, them and distance athletes
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Oh really? Is this confirmed? Would be great for all the lifters/sportspeople out there…
Oh yes:
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More rise at the back AND more taper! Just what they needed! The 1955S taper, but when cut down to a regular leg length the leg opening is a tad too large still, makes them look scruffier…
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A thread I can relate to…
6'1 (185cm), 101kg, 27" thighs, squatter's ass, 36" waist.
Jeans are a nightmare, almost nothing nice fits well. Yes, Levi's 541s fit like a charm but the quality isn't good and they wear out.
I have the 1955S and wear them all the time. Lovely and comfy, and I'm happier in them than anything else I own. Not without flaws, as touched on already in this thread, primarily the front rise: it's so high it means I can't put shoes on with a phone in my pocket, can't use a larger phone, causes hip flair and crotch buldge, and just looks a bit odd generally. As they've worn in after 300 or so wears it looks a lot less odd I'm happy to say.
Not many suggestions in this thread sadly offer much hope to me: thighs either inadequate or rear rise is too low. As I get back to heavy weights I'll only grow again too...
I'm well off my old numbers in the gym at the mo, after a couple of bad injuries playing sports. Currently 170kg deads, 120kg squats for reps.
Haha replied to you in the jeans thread as well but we're pretty much the same proportions. I'm 5'11", 195, 25" thighs, 34" waist. I'm also a pretty far off my strongest due to two jobs and a kid, and not wanting to compete in powerlifting anymore.
I never liked 5-3-1 either. I just can't wrap my head around the higher rep sets. I need target weight for target reps, and do far better with intensity (5 reps or less). Don't get me wrong, it's a great program for some, usually people who need more volume and/or older people who should push the weights as far up. I have a 45 year old client than ran 5-3-1 for a long time to great effect.
Since it seems like we're doing this, workout yesterday was…
EMOM is fat bar deadlifts, bar facing burpees and side bridges
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Haha replied to you in the jeans thread as well but we're pretty much the same proportions. I'm 5'11", 195, 25" thighs, 34" waist. I'm also a pretty far off my strongest due to two jobs and a kid, and not wanting to compete in powerlifting anymore.
It's hard to stay at one's strongest isn't it! Keeping the necessary weight on isn't easy on stomach or knees either, though I do kinda like hovering around the 245lb mark.
I never liked 5-3-1 either. I just can't wrap my head around the higher rep sets. I need target weight for target reps, and do far better with intensity (5 reps or less). Don't get me wrong, it's a great program for some, usually people who need more volume and/or older people who should push the weights as far up. I have a 45 year old client than ran 5-3-1 for a long time to great effect.
I mix up my rep ranges through the year, currently I'd do squats 7-7-7-5-5 and deads along the lines of 6-6-6-4-2 with ever increasing weight. The 2 may prove to be a 1 depending on how successful I am.
EMOM is fat bar deadlifts, bar facing burpees and side bridges
Never had the chance of playing with a fat bar- my grip does need work honestly, I struggle to hold onto 120kg without straps, which is a bit rubbish
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It's hard to stay at one's strongest isn't it! Keeping the necessary weight on isn't easy on stomach or knees either, though I do kinda like hovering around the 245lb mark.
Indeed it is. When I started powerlifting I was just under 170. Got up to 218 at my biggest (never quite made "morbidly obese" BMI, to my shame). Now oscillate between 193-198, which is a far better athletic weight for my frame but there isn't as much of me between the bar and the ground so absolute strength does suffer. I'm older with a kid now so that pretty much means I've decided to do what I like doing, which is lift, so I'll hopefully creep back up a bit.
I committed some serious food crimes on the way up, as anyone who's been in the powerlifting world is probably familiar with. Several people considered having a food intervention on me. Although almost no one believes me when I tell them, I gained a pound per day for the first 2 weeks. I tell people that when you're trying to gain weight, if the takeout people don't put 4 sets of silverware in your bag you didn't get enough food. I went through a 6 month period where I wasn't hungry at any moment. So, yea, not the most sustainable lifestyle but it was great fun being strong! (For those that haven't done it, the food is fun for about a week, and burden thereafter)
I'm actually in the gym right now, going to be hitting up some squats momentarily. Nothing like having a gym all to yourself!
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@TrickHell Where are you failing on the press. Around eyebrow level? A few things might help.
-People universally set up their hands too wide in the press. You want your forearms vertical in the bottom, so your elbows can be directly below your wrists. I set up with the web of my thumb inside the knurling, and I have somewhat broad shoulders.
-Another tip is your grip on the bar, you want the bar sitting over your wrist bones. A trick to achieve this is to rotate your elbows out when grabbing the bar, which will put it diagonally over your hands and you should feel the weight in the butt of your palm when picking it up. Gonna try and load a vid of what I mean.
-Lastly, extensor muscles potentiate other extensors. It'd be great if you could press with open hands, but you can't for obvious reasons. However, your butt is a huge extensor that can be activated without consequence. Every rep in the bottom flex your butt hard like when doing a glute bridge. It'll get you that extra pop out of the bottom of the press.
Sorry if all of that is old news to you, but I always have to chime in where the OHP is concerned.
Vid didn't work. Pics are normal grip vs better grip.
