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    • pechelmanP
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      My take is that it's not clearly any one of those 3 as listed @mclaincausey, but a mix of them.

      Space is key to our survival, but in the sense we have to move hazardous and polluting industry off the Earth's surface and use the abundant natural resources available from space to help preserve this planet and its population. There is no better place we know of yet than Earth. From this effort of moving people to work and live in space to benefit Earth, huge advancements will come relating to scientific discovery and also commercial opportunity.

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        @pechelman I don’t disagree that it’s all 3 and more, but there is probably a relative priority between all of these concerns right?

        I think this is important because it requires political will and capital to carry these things forward, and framing the “why” is how you establish the will.

        During the Cold War, we were able to use the USSR to generate that will and carry exploration forward over significant objections to those investments.

        Is sending multimillionaires and billionaires into low earth orbit* going to sustain enough willpower to accelerate our progress long-term, or do we need a framing that resonates with a broader swath of the population?

        • speaking of that, my wife did an eclipse party for Virgin Galactic “astronauts “ in 2017 in Idaho. Pretty sweet!

        Think it, be it.

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        • pechelmanP
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          I don't see these as mutually exclusive as written; they each beget and enable the others in their own way. Survival, and perhaps more than just "survival", is continued growth and development of our species is what I would say is the ultimate goal, but this will be enabled by the other two at first, and are therefore all imperatives.

          I also don't see an either/or choice between sending privileged people or otherwise chosen individuals to space to generate support/interest or to develop this interest with the population. Both need to be done in parallel to be successful. In some cases, the former may help generate the latter (just read or listen to what Shatner has said after his flight and tell me that isn't inspiring). It does seem like this is actually happening right now in industry and culture which is very exciting.

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          • mclaincauseyM
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            That’s the second time you’ve read mutual exclusivity that wasn’t intended in what I’ve written, so perhaps I’m not expressing myself clearly.

            The point isn’t to pick one of these benefits, or to abandon commercial space flight, so much as to tell a story that resonates with the broadest possible audience and generates political will in a highly Balkanized / polarized political climate that frankly is vulnerable to cynical class-based populist attacks. You hear this a lot, where people again take a mutual exclusivity that isn’t legitimate: “why are we investing in space exploration instead of addresssing problems here?” (we can do both) or decry exploration, now that so much of it is privatized, as an elitist activity: “these wealthy people just want to escape environmental devastation off-world and leave the rest of us to suffer” (you have to start somewhere).

            The reason I think this is important is that I think we need more public investment in these areas. Organizations like NASA and ESA matter. People being interested in space is one thing. People being interested enough in space to be happy to see their tax dollars supporting exploration is another. That kind of investment requires public will as opposed / in addition to relying on the whims of a Musk or a Bezos to do this stuff.

            Think it, be it.

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              Here is another video on Black Holes by one of my favorite content creators on YouTube. This one is about Gargantua from the film Interstellar

              Think it, be it.

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              • mclaincauseyM
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                @pechelman w00t
                https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/spacex-got-the-fanfare-but-boeings-first-crew-flight-is-still-historic/

                Think it, be it.

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                • pechelmanP
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                  thanks for sharing @mclaincausey !

                  We had Suni and Butch around during our design reviews. It really drove home that our work was to keep them safe. I still have their photo hanging up on my bookshelf as a reminder.

                  While they may not have been able to "capture the flag" everyone should be pretty proud about one quote from the article; "Once Starliner is up, the United States will have two independent orbital-class crew spacecraft in service at the same time."

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                  • AnesthetistA
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                    Aurora Borealis touched down….in St Louis!
                    X33 seemed the appropriate timepiece 😀
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                    IG: bluehandsslim

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                    • pechelmanP
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                      holy cow!
                      super cool @Anesthetist that it's visible that far south!

                      fingers crossed for good viewing tonight for everyone else

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                      • steelworkerS
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                        St Louis! Thats crazy!

                        Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                        Well, I have others.

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                        • pechelmanP
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                          Quite the show tonight in the PNW!

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                          • oblivion.silaO
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                            Hampshire UK. Hue kept changing and it was beautiful.

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                            • BrandreaB
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                              I’ve been a space nerd my entire life. It crosses over into many hobbies.

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                I’m so upset, couldn’t see shit in Denver.

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • pechelmanP
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                                  I saw some photos of it from friends of ours in Golden that looked pretty great. Maybe you were outside at the wrong time? I think there's another good chance tonight too?

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                                  • pechelmanP
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                                    Potential big week ahead for human spaceflight! Fingers crossed for a safe flight tomorrow for everyone and a few more so that boeing can finally figure out its leaky He valve.

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                                    • pechelmanP
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                                      well that was pretty cool. got to see and hear the landing from what seemed to be almost front row seats

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                                      • todyT
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                                        Is this the right thread for a picture like this?
                                        Tsuchinshan-ATLAS barely visible at the upper edge of the photo.

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                                        • endoE
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                                          cool @tody

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                                          and also pretty cool how the Space X people caught back the booster, were you involved @pechelman?

                                          si tacuisses

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                                          • pechelmanP
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                                            That was absolutely incredible to watch @endo but I wasn't involved. I'm really hoping to be able to post some things but we've been very quiet since earlier this summer after a couple of tests we posted short videos.

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