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    • HemiH
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      Weird because all of these 6 Nation teams struggle with consistency and will play poorly, this is one of the key areas that make the All Blacks so good.  Consistently good teams force you to be innovative (as you will see in the Super 15 & Tri Nations) otherwise you won’t survive.  From an outsides view (and I might be a bit harsh) it seems like the 6 Nation games can be won because the other side played so badly?

      … But I’m looking forward to watching the Lions tour.  That is one great traditional team!

      Don’t worry about Sonny Bill, Rene Ranger has been amazing this year and if he continues will almost certainly make the All Blacks.  He scored this try a couple of weeks ago against those monsters from South Africa the Bulls.

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      • gbougardG
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        @Hemi:

        Weird because all of these 6 Nation teams struggle with consistency and will play poorly, this is one of the key areas that make the All Blacks so good.  Consistently good teams force you to be innovative (as you will see in the Super 15 & Tri Nations) otherwise you won’t survive.  From an outsides view (and I might be a bit harsh) it seems like the 6 Nation games can be won because the other side played so badly?

        … But I’m looking forward to watching the Lions tour.  That is one great traditional team!

        Don’t worry about Sonny Bill, Rene Ranger has been amazing this year and if he continues will almost certainly make the All Blacks.  He scored this try a couple of weeks ago against those monsters from South Africa the Bulls.

        You are so totally right about consistency or lack thereof. In a normal world, France and England should be winning the tournament every year. Thats why all but one world cup went to a southern team.

        Regarding the south, I'm totally awed by the depth of talent in addition to skills, speed, etc… I mean, look at France, we keep using winger Vincent Clerc (dont get me wrong, I love the guy) who is 30 without launching those 21-20 year old kids. The only one new face this year in the back rows is 18 year old Gael Fickou, who should leave Toulouse and go play 3-4 years in NZ to become the best in the world.

        Lets get delirious for a moment: if I was president of the French rugby league, I'd spend some of the mountain of money they get from TV rights to pay NZ provinces to train a squad of 10-15 promising players from the age of 18 to 21, send our coaches to NZ to study for a year or two how rugby should be coached, etc... And NZ should open rugby universities and make a tonload of money teaching the rest of the world how to play rugby. They might end up not winning the RWC, though...

        Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
        Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
        Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

        Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
        Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
        Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
        Ric

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        • gbougardG
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          The try is great, but the offload to Ranger is spectacular. Love it, love it love it

          Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
          Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
          Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

          Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
          Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
          Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
          Ric

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          • gbougardG
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            Jerry Collins: I hope he's going to be alright

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/8461221/Collins-behaviour-erratic-before-Japan-arrest

            Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
            Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
            Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

            Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
            Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
            Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
            Ric

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            • gbougardG
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              Some seriously badasss rugby here

              Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
              Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
              Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

              Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
              Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
              Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
              Ric

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              • gbougardG
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                Clermont - Munster HCup semi final was a good game yesterday.
                Do you get those games in the Sourhern Hemisphere or is it deemed unnecessary since you have so much league and union already?

                Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                Ric

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                • HemiH
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                  We can get these games if you subscribe to Sky TV.

                  I've watched a few games but they always seem to re-play the same bloody game… I don't know how much more of Connacht I can take!

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                  • gbougardG
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                    Hemi: Blues or Crusaders?
                    What do NZ bookies say?
                    If I had more cash, I would have flown to go see it, but …

                    Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                    Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                    Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                    Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                    Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                    Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                    Ric

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                    • HemiH
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                      Crusaders have Kieran Read back but I love the way the young Blues play.  They won't be able to sneak up on the Crusaders (natoriously slow starters) a second time though.

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                      • gbougardG
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                        Just saw that the Blues got sold to an investment fund

                        http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/sprug/1328454046-super-rugby–blues-franchise-secure-til-at-least-2020

                        I hope this is not the end of NZ Rugby as I have come to appreciate it.
                        It will be interesting to see if other franchises are going this way and how it will affect the Rugby scene in NZ (and therefore the rest of the world)
                        It could mean that NZ is able to retain more players if new money is spent on increasing salaries to match France and England…

                        Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                        Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                        Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                        Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                        Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                        Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                        Ric

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                        • HemiH
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                          Its been on the cards for a while…  NZ Rugby can't survive without some type of private investment, we're just too small.  I think only one Provincial team makes a tiny profit each year and the rest trade at a loss or break even at best.  One of the oldest Unions had to be bailed out last year after facing bankruptcy.

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                          • gbougardG
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                            This side of the universe Toulon beat Clermont in the Euro Cup final. Defense + Wilkinson overcame offense. I was gutted.

                            Next week semis for the French championship my team Toulouse will probably suffer the same fate vs Toulon, while Clermont will crush Castres. So we could have a rematch of the Euro for the French final.

                            Anyway, wouldnt it be great if there was a final between the Euro winner and the Super 15? It happened once unofficially in 1997 and the NZ team crushed Brives. And wouldnt it be nice if there was a euro Super 15? These national championships drag on and on and are not as exciting as Eu games…

                            Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                            Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                            Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                            Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                            Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                            Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                            Ric

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                            • gbougardG
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                              Hemi, a quick question for you:

                              nowadays, we see quite a number of League players thriving (Folau being the latest sensation) in Union.

                              Do you know if there are similar successes the other way round (Union guys trying League and becoming "superbad" in League)?

                              Here in France, there is nobody I can think of, and I dont think there are examples in England, where League is a force (unlike here).

                              Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                              Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                              Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                              Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                              Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                              Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                              Ric

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                              • gbougardG
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                                Crusaders: Wyatt Crockett, Codie Taylor, Owen Franks, Luke Romano, Sam Whitelock, George Whitelock, Matt Todd, Kieran Read ©, Andy Ellis, Dan Carter, Zac Guildford, Tom Taylor, Ryan Crotty, Tom Marshall, Israel Dagg. Reserves: Ben Funnell/Laurence Corlett, Dominic Bird, Luke Whitelock, Willi Heinz, Robbie Fruean, Telusa Veianu.

                                Chiefs: Robbie Robinson, Patrick Osborne, Charlie Ngatai, Bundee Aki, Asaeli Tikoirotuma, Aaron Cruden, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Matt Vant Leven, Tanerau Latimer, Liam Messam, Brodie Retallick, Craig Clarke (c), Ben Tameifuna, Hika Elliot,  Pauliasi Manu. Reserves: Mahonri Schwalger, Toby Smith, Michael Fitzgerald, Sam Cane, Augustine Pulu, Dan Waenga, Lelia Masaga.

                                any of these would win the 6 Nations easy and would be a contender for at least the semi finals of the Rugby World Cup

                                Fruean on the bench: fucking frightening! I love NZ rugby

                                Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                                Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                                Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                                Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                                Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                                Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                                Ric

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                                • HemiH
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                                  Most of us grow up playing Rugby and Rugby League here, then you choose one.  The problem with Rugby League attracting Rugby converts (apart from Rugby is now professional) is that there is only one competition that's any good and its in Australia with only one team from Auckland, New Zealand.  Their aren't as many pathways and international League is not as competitive as Rugby in fact we still consider the State of Origin three game series between Queensland and New South Wales as the pinicle of League and NZ's aren't eligible.

                                  But before Rugby went professional many guy's switched to League to earn a living and it was unheard of to switch the other way.

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                                  • gbougardG
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                                    now, saturday's NZ-France was a bloodbath. inexorability at its best

                                    Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                                    Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                                    Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                                    Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                                    Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                                    Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                                    Ric

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                                    • HemiH
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                                      The two All Black tries were amazing!  They might play a few more of the inexperienced guys in the last test.

                                      I'm gutted that Louis Picamoles is injured, he's been awesome for the French.

                                      How about the Lions losing to ACT last night?

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                                      • gbougardG
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                                        cant wait for the trination to start and watch SA-NZ games. Mammoth teams, yet two different approaches to Rugby

                                        Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
                                        Sly & Robbie A Run Tings
                                        Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

                                        Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
                                        Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
                                        Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
                                        Ric

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                                        • M
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                                          Hasn't Sonny Bill Williams recently switched to League in Australia?

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                                          • Mild7M
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                                            Youre right Maynard.  Going to play for the Sydney Roosters i believe.

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