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    Arm length - Ultra Heavy Flannels (UHFs)

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    • T
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      @Max:

      Exactly. Can anybody of those complaining about too short sleeves post an actual fitpic that illustrates the problem?

      I think the website fitpics on the 130 are too short, even more so when it would be washed.  I returned this shirt for that reason.

      That being said, there are a lot of great fits on the 130 thread.  And I think the web pictures on the 131 are too long.  Would be interested to see @sam in the 131 to see if they still look long.

      I think there is a sweet spot somewhere on the middle of these two examples.

      Hopefully the 131 is a bit of an outlier, and that they are not all quite this long.

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      • Max PowerM
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        Thanks, you're right. But looking at the size chart the 130 has among the smallest of all UHFs (XL: 25,6"). If you add 1" to those measurements you still have shorter sleeves than on the 131 BB. Like I said: Aim to get a length not below 26" and not above 26,5" (speaking for XL) and it will make 90% of people happy.

        @elclintor:

        > I don't care what people say.. The Max Power way is the right way…

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        • van OlzonV
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          @elclintor:

          The Max Power way is the right way…

          . BEHIND EVERY CLEVER GIRL IS A GUY WITH A BEARD AND GLASSES .

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          • FinksterF
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            @Max:

            Thanks, you're right. But looking at the size chart the 130 has among the smallest of all UHFs (XL: 25,6"). If you add 1" to those measurements you still have shorter sleeves than on the 131 BB. Like I said: Aim to get a length not below 26" and not above 26,5" (speaking for XL) and it will make 90% of people happy.

            sounds reasonable!  +1

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            • GilesG
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              OK.  It's sit on the fence time.

              But, just to frame this discussion, Haraki loves the new length.

              I spent a long time chatting (pissing Tom-san off) and measuring until there was virtually no print left on the tape measures, about this today.

              We agreed that some of the UHF's that we had released had arms that were definitely too short.  Needless to say this was unintended.  It is not like Tom and H sit around architecting stuff that people won't like/buy.

              Here are the issues that we have to contend with.  Although the yarns used in the UHF's are the same, the weaves  (Buffalo, Crazy, Ombre and plain) and colours are different.  Each weave behaves differently and even the colour we dye with affects yarn shrinkage characteristics.  So we can only, at best, get an averagely perfect end size (without exhaustive sampling, which would mean 2017 release not 2016).

              That said, we do believe that the cookie monsters did end up longer tan we had projected.

              When I get back to the UK, I will measure the 131-BB's and give Tom my ideal arm lengths for each size.  And guess what?  That'll likely be between the shorter examples and the longer examples.

              We will then make all future UHF's target those arm lengths.  But be aware that some will end up shorter than target and some longer.

              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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              • ChrisC
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                @tmg:

                Extra room in the forearms would be welcomed as well

                This.  I've had to sell multiple IH shirts over the years because my Popeye arms won't fit.

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                • GilesG
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                  Won't happen.  Sorry

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • GilesG
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                    ^ Sorry, upon reflection, what I meant to say was - I'm not prepared to have that argument just yet, especially after irritating the tits off the crew already today…..

                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    • neph93N
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                      @Giles:

                      When I get back to the UK, I will measure the 131-BB's and give Tom my ideal arm lengths for each size.  And guess what?  That'll likely be between the shorter examples and the longer examples.

                      An eminently pragmatic conclusion.

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                      We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                      • pillowPANTSP
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                        I would def say "split the difference" G.
                        Max, i would have pics of too short sleeves but i didnt buy those shirts. Im 6'4" and 235. I wear XXXL in IH and the recent uhf releases were def too short for me. (Pretty bummed out too because the maroon/cream was my idea and i couldnt buy one[emoji22]) 27" is bare minimum in that size, 27.5 is about perfect for me (if it doesnt shrink).
                        Sounds like M,L,XL have all been pretty good and thats great. But the 3X def needs more length and wider chest (ptp should be 25" on all 3X imo)
                        130 in xl was 25.6 and only got
                        .8" longer over 2 sizes to 26.4
                        127 only jumped .8" aswell and 2x and 3x had the same sleeve length
                        102mc jumped .5" from xl to 3x
                        All of those would have shown you "too short" sleeve pics for me. I would look like SE's model in them lol

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                        • ChrisC
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                          @Giles:

                          ^ Sorry, upon reflection, what I meant to say was - I'm not prepared to have that argument just yet, especially after irritating the tits off the crew already today…..

                          And I certainly don't expect you to. 🙂 Especially since this discussion had proved that no choice is a perfect solution.  Not to mention that, based on the number of times it's been mentioned, forearm size is a non-issue for the vast majority of IH buyers.

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                          • rocketR
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                            @Giles:

                            When I get back to the UK, I will measure the 131-BB's and give Tom my ideal arm lengths for each size.  And guess what?  That'll likely be between the shorter examples and the longer examples.

                            yep

                            Said this somewhere here before… sizing can only be a compromise, as long as you don't go for bespoke. There are far too many body types to hit every nail with ready to wear garments. So the key is imo to find a balance in between the extremes.

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                            • CutlasshoundC
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                              Wise words old chap!

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                              • BloodnThunderB
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                                I vote to split the difference.  I'm already an outlier in that I wear an XS or S but at just over 6 feet tall the sleeves being any shorter would be too short.  But I prefer a sleeve that sits right on the wrist and doesn't go down much onto the thumb, so 'short' is better than 'long' for me.  The size small 101MC was about as short as I'd go on sleeves, still comfortable length but an extra half inch would be fine (no more though).

                                As someone mentioned earlier compiling the votes based on what size each voter is would be very interesting.

                                @Giles, if beneficial, and if people want to post what they voted for and what size they are I'd be happy to compile this in a somewhat detailed spreadsheet (it's what I do all day at work anyway).

                                IG: Shadesofindig0

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                                • steelworkerS
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                                  @UnTucked:

                                  I think people tend to forget that IH is a brand that was dreamed up with riders in mind, that denim hipsters happened to fall in love with…..

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                                  ^that's right. and to be honest I'm 6'3" so longer sleeves work.

                                  Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
                                  Well, I have others.

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                                  • David K.K. HansenD
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                                    I'm similar to @neph93 in that I'm built short-ish and round.  I too would prefer a shorter arm length, but I understand that the brand is aimed at riders first, denim hipsters second.  I sometimes have to size up from an XL to an XXL due to the chest, but often find that by doing so the sleeves gets longer and the cuff opening gets bigger too.  Some shirts I could live with longer arms, but only if I could cuff them properly so the sleeves wouldn't swallow up my hands.

                                    Am I the only one who has this problem?  When you get taller, do your wrists/hands get bigger too?

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                                    • FinksterF
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                                      😉

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                                      • GilesG
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                                        @BloodnThunder:

                                        @Giles, if beneficial, and if people want to post what they voted for and what size they are I'd be happy to compile this in a somewhat detailed spreadsheet (it's what I do all day at work anyway).

                                        Thanks @BloodnThunder .  No need, I know what I need to do.

                                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                          @Giles: so the IHSH-127s that you are rereleasing this year will be longer in the arms than the ones you released last year?  As a shorter person, 5'8", but with 43" chest/18.5" shoulders, the 127s last year were perfect in XL.  Finding that kind of fit OTR has been somewhat of a unicorn, but IH nails it for me.  Longer arms will be devastating, but understandable, as I'm pretty sure I'm a big outlier.

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                                          • GilesG
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                                            Anything that is cut prior to my updated instructions will have the longer arm length.  I know that this def means the purple and the green buffalos (as I saw them being sewn yesterday).  No idea what else will get through before I change things…..

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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