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TH3515

Ill probably be pulling the trigger on some whites this week. Likely pick up a pair of the black cxl oxfords and custom rip-off of these:

Thinking about subbing the leather for brown and black french calf, What do you guys think? I enjoy polishing my shoes and boots to a high shine so its rather french calf or dress leather. You guys have any pics or ideas about pros and cons?

That's a real cool boot! Any idea what the original leathers are? Looks like black CXL, brown oil tan and black (or dark brown?) bullhide to me.

Bluegrass

could be brown and black cxl? and looks like black bullhide to me. i've seen pics of brown cxl that seems to have some black peeking through like that one.

Beerhammer

Its brown and black cxl with black bullhide backstay and counter. My version would be all black and brown french calf and have brown edges and a roll top. Probably a regular last too, that one is swing and it actually doesn't look bad in the pic but I'm not sure how much id end up liking it in real life…

Bluegrass

what you described = great choice.

Anesthetist

Well I decided to temporarily shelve my Alden's and work on my White's. It hasn't been easy getting used to the arch support, but just out of the blue they are super comfy. I walked about three miles in them yesterday and no soreness or foot fatigue. Needless to say, I finally get why these are so popular.

Megatron1505

Absolute stunners…..but then I am biased.

Ragehaver

@aho:

Instagram photo but I'll try to post regular pics as well…

Warning: Question barrage…

I'd like a pair like this but with the Vibram 700 sole and natural colored midsole. This is what I came up with on Build a Boot:

White's Smoke Jumper Standard Last
Leather 1: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Leather 2: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Toe Vamp Leather: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Toe Cap Leather: None
Celastic Toe Box: Single
Safety Toe: No Thanks
Heel Counter Leather: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Height: 6"
Upper (Shaft) Leather : Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Leather Liner: Black
Sole Trim: Standard Trim
Top: Rolled
Back Stay Leather: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Pull Loop: Yes
Eyelet Color: Nickel
Eyelet Configuration : Eyelet
Top Garment: Eyelet
Lace Design: Lace to Toe
Lace: Leather
False Tongue: None
Sole: Vib 700
Half Slip: No
Heel Shape: Block
Heel Height: Standard
Last: #38 Swing Last
Midsole: Standard
Midsole/Edge Color: Natural
Size - Length: 9.5
Size - Width: EE

Am I missing anything? Not really sure what to do with the "Last" option, since I've never owned a pair of whites before. Not sure if I should go 6" or 8" height either, but I guess that's personal preference.

I have extremely wide feet. My Indy boots are 9.5 EEE and could be wider. I know White's run a bit wide, so EE should work? If I wear a 9.5 in Wolverine 1km and Alden Indy/etc, should 9.5 in White's be alright?

urbanwoodsman

Bluegrass

@Ragehaver:

@aho:

Instagram photo but I'll try to post regular pics as well…

Warning: Question barrage…

I'd like a pair like this but with the Vibram 700 sole and natural colored midsole. This is what I came up with on Build a Boot:

White's Smoke Jumper Standard Last
Leather 1: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Leather 2: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Toe Vamp Leather: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Toe Cap Leather: None
Celastic Toe Box: Single
Safety Toe: No Thanks
Heel Counter Leather: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Height: 6"
Upper (Shaft) Leather : Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Leather Liner: Black
Sole Trim: Standard Trim
Top: Rolled
Back Stay Leather: Black Chrome Excel by Horween
Pull Loop: Yes
Eyelet Color: Nickel
Eyelet Configuration : Eyelet
Top Garment: Eyelet
Lace Design: Lace to Toe
Lace: Leather
False Tongue: None----------I'd get it - you don't have to use it - your sample pic has one - they don't charge extra
Sole: Vib 700
Half Slip: No
Heel Shape: Block--------Most smoke jumpers have the standard or cuban/curved heel - I personally prefer it
Heel Height: Standard
Last: #38 Swing Last -----Specify "standard" last, not #38
Midsole: Standard
Midsole/Edge Color: Natural
Size - Length: 9.5-----------should be OK
Size - Width: EE-------------"might" be be OK - I don't think they run that wide, maybe just a bit

Am I missing anything? Not really sure what to do with the "Last" option (STANDARD), since I've never owned a pair of whites before. Not sure if I should go 6" or 8" height either, but I guess that's personal preference. (EITHER - 6" IS PLENTY HIGH & EASIER TO HANDLE IMO - TALLER JUST ADDS MORE WEIGHT)

I have extremely wide feet. My Indy boots are 9.5 EEE and could be wider. I know White's run a bit wide, so EE should work? If I wear a 9.5 in Wolverine 1km and Alden Indy/etc, should 9.5 in White's be alright? (YOU MAY WANT TO SEND IN A TRACING TO BE SURE - OR GO WITH EEE)

Bluegrass

And, really nice score, Urb! Sweet!

Megatron1505

Awesome winter boots Shane, they will see you through many winters to come.

Aho, classic looking boots there buddy, they will look great for a very long time.

urbanwoodsman

@Ragehaver:

Am I missing anything? Not really sure what to do with the "Last" option, since I've never owned a pair of whites before. Not sure if I should go 6" or 8" height either, but I guess that's personal preference.

I have extremely wide feet. My Indy boots are 9.5 EEE and could be wider. I know White's run a bit wide, so EE should work? If I wear a 9.5 in Wolverine 1km and Alden Indy/etc, should 9.5 in White's be alright?

I would suggest the Bounty Hunter set up. It's my go to option for last/look. It's just a Smoke Jumper look with a Semi-Dress Last. The Swing Last has the upturned toebox if that's what you're after. I wear an 8.5E in the Alden TruBalance last and prefer an 8.5D in the Bounty Hunter set up. But for every person that gives sizing advice there will be another person that will say different. I would go to Graham Fowler and try on the White's Semi-Dress they have. I doubt they have your size but will probably have at l;east a 9.5D. That will give you an idea on how to size, even though I'm sure you're at least an E or EE.

As far as height, I prefer 7in. I've had 6 and 8, the 6 was too short(feels too tight at the top with laces wrapped around) and the 8 is too tall(two extra holes at the top that I never use). I mean it's not a huge difference, but with the way I tie my laces 7in just seems to make the most sense.

Also, I would email someone at Bakers to give you the best advice about sizing and lasts. orders@bakershoe.com

tigerpac

"I know White's run a bit wide"

I actually found the SD last to be a bit narrow. My feel were hanging over the edge with a D. I'm a 10D on Trubalance but went with a 10E for White's and have been very happy with them.

But like Shane said, they all fit people differently.

Ragehaver

Good advice all, thank you. I emailed Baker's for advice (bounty vs. standard) and maybe I'll check out Graham Fowler.

Bluegrass

if you want them to look just like the ones in the pic you shared, i think that is the more "square" standard SJ last. And I agree there is no substitute for trying them on if you can go to GF… either way you can't go wrong and are getting some great boots.

beeetus

Here are the pictures of my new White's. Ordered on 2/7, and received them 3/14.

White's Bounty Hunters

White's Cougars with Giles' favorite Vibram 2021 sole.

aho

beeetus, lookin good!

rage, FWIW, I have the following on my build:
standard SJ last
brass eyelets
7" height
no celastic toe box
standard heel

aho

lifted this from a facebook comment on the White's page…Packers, 7 years old vs. new ones:

Probably could've went another decade or even longer if they were taken care of properly but interesting to see!

Megatron1505

I'm guessing those are working boots, not walking around town and city boots like 99.9% of us use them for though.

Chris

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if those were worn by an actual smokejumper for 7 wildfire seasons and have been rebuilt 2-3 times already.

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