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    • madmondayM
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      which i bought before, than they came out with the 666s that are selvedge through & through & are pretty slim.

      it's crazy insane . . .

      head high, middle finger higher

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      • J
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        well I think the cut of the 301s tapers to the hem on both sides of the leg (medial and lateral)
        whereas maybe the 666 achieves the slim leg only with the taper on the inner (medial) aspect

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        • madmondayM
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          i see said the blind monday.  G$ don't worry, after the thing with finn no question from me for a week.

          word to jiminy cricket. . . unless you put up new product, hahahahahahahaha

          head high, middle finger higher

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            of course I am not sure
            I know nothing of tailoring etc
            but it would seem to make sense
            that if the cut of the leg is not straight along the outer seam
            but rather curved (as with a taper)
            then you could not maintain the selvage line
            which itself is straight

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            • madmondayM
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              eh, you think too much jaco.

              have a beer, there seams too be truth in your way of looking at it

              get it seams.  . .

              head high, middle finger higher

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              • madmondayM
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                get it seams, & i forgot my angry face again

                301s are really loved in some circles.  wonder if the 666s are seen as the heir or just another slim cut?

                just rhetorical, no need to answer anyone & besides slim jeans aren't really my thing  😶

                head high, middle finger higher

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                • GilesG
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                  The 301S was originally conceived as a non selvedge jean.  The same silhouette could be achieved to show the selvedge line, but it would be a radical redesign.  I originally thought it was due to the taper, but learnt otherswise when I was designing the Devils's Fit with Tom and Haraki….

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • Finn666F
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                    ^great infos right there…so this would/could/should also be a new type of jean which IH will come out with one day!

                    @monday:

                    i see said the blind monday.  G$ don't worry, after the thing with finn no question from me for a week.

                    word to jiminy cricket. . . unless you put up new product, hahahahahahahaha

                    so i got you all confused or have you used all your power on typing, dealing with me? 😃

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                    • madmondayM
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                      G$ you are a glutton for punishment.

                      why would it be a radical redesign to show the selvedge line on the 301s?

                      was jaco correct in his summation of why the selvedge line is not shown on the 301s?

                      okay don't answer any of that. wait a week since i said no questions, hahahhahahhahahaaha.

                      for real & besides i would rather see a picture of some jeans

                      head high, middle finger higher

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                      • CaptainC
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                        301S pic here: http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg90020#msg90020

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                        • madmondayM
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                          smile at captain.

                          so, er what is going on in that photo????

                          looks like thety caught you midstream or something, hahahahahahahaha

                          your jeans are coming along very nicely 😉

                          head high, middle finger higher

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                          • GilesG
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                            @monday:

                            G$ you are a glutton for punishment.

                            why would it be a radical redesign to show the selvedge line on the 301s?

                            was jaco correct in his summation of why the selvedge line is not shown on the 301s?

                            okay don't answer any of that. wait a week since i said no questions, hahahhahahhahahaaha.

                            for real & besides i would rather see a picture of some jeans

                            Because Haraki said it would be.  That's all I need to know.

                            It is possible to get a selvedge line on a tapered jean, but the fundamental design needs to be changed.

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            • CaptainC
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                              at monday: i'm making room for more beer… 😛

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                              • madmondayM
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                                i said don't answer G, hahahahahahahahahaha

                                who took a  pee in your cheerios?  i'll round up seul & we can take care of it

                                back to angry face

                                head high, middle finger higher

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                                  I don't mean to belabor this issue
                                  I don't even own the 301
                                  but if my logic is wrong that bothers me, so I gotta know…

                                  yes you can make a taper jean showing selvage
                                  and you could "achieve the same silhouette" with a redesign of the 301 cut
                                  but is it correct that you could not make the 301 as it is now showing selvage?

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                                  • GilesG
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                                    I answered because it is a moot point.

                                    The 301S does not have selvedge, it was designed that way, partly because when it was originally conceived by Tom and Haraki it was destined to be sold to the Haraki's domestic customers (who on the whole are bikers and don't give a jot about selvedge, preferring cut and construction to be their driver), Haraki decided not to release it in Japan and Kiya decided to take the jean.  I gave him exclusivity to the cut, because (and this is an example of where I sometimes allow my own preferences to dictate a rational business decision) I personally do not like the cut.  It will require a change to the whole pattern to get a selvedge line down the seam.  There would be no change to the silhouette if we did do this.  Personally, I prefer Haraki to work on new stuff, rather than spend time redesigning something that a lot of people already like and buy, just to show a bit of selvedge.

                                    So it won't happen.

                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    • GilesG
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                                      @jacoavlu:

                                      but is it correct that you could not make the 301 as it is now showing selvage?

                                      It would require a redesign that would extend all the way through the top block, it is not just a matter of cutting the side seam against the selvedge.

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      • madmondayM
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                                        G there was no point. it was just one of those how you say, hypotheticals for the sake of banter.  you are again correct, why mess with a good thing when people love the cut of the  301s.

                                        i'll be over here in the corner awaiting my lashes.

                                        **told you i could pick up seul & we could deal with the issue

                                        head high, middle finger higher

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                                        • GilesG
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                                          @monday:

                                          i'll be over here in the corner awaiting my lashes.

                                          Mme B is packing…...

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                          • madmondayM
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                                            well tell her to hurry up these assless chaps are prety uncomfortable & it's hard to type with my toes since my hands are all bound up, hahahahahahahaha

                                            i'm out of here, 301s thread is dangerous for your boy 😢

                                            head high, middle finger higher

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