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    • RocknRollR
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      I saw a comment recently about the 'amount of oxidation being a factor in the way a denim looks. I'm interested in more detail about this - can anyone elaborate?  I understand the concept of oxidation, but not it's application in this instance.

      cheers

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      • scroogenS
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        Indigo works by a chemical reaction called oxidation-reduction.
        Indigo does not dissolve in water. It must be
        reduced — i.e. the oxygen must be removed— in the
        presence of alkali
        by a reducing
        agent such as
        thiourea dioxide
        (thiox), sodium
        hydrosulfite, Zinc, or bacteria. Upon reduction, indigo
        becomes colorless and water soluble. In this state,
        indigo has a high affinity for cellulosic fibers and enters
        the open spaces of the fiber. The dyed fibers are then
        exposed to air, which oxidizes the dye molecule back to
        its insoluble form. The insoluble dye particles are
        trapped inside the fiber, coloring them permanently blue.
        Unlike most dyes, indigo forms a mechanical, not
        chemical, bond.

        Ok.  So in it's reduced state (oxygen taken out, water soluble) indigo is colorless and will adhere to fibres.  When air is introduced (oxidization no longer soluble) the fibres are turned blue.  This is why in rope dyeing they are put in the vat, taken out, left to dry and then the steps are repeated to achieve the desired hue/darkness. 
        hope this helps!


        heres the link i pulled that blurb from.  I'm no scientist! (opens as PDF)
        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.cornell.edu%2Fgarden%2Ffiles%2F2009%2F04%2Fintroduction3.pdf&ei=dWWsUO_aPMuy0AH3jIDwBg&usg=AFQjCNE1XEx_k9aie3imZ-4SAVLwDn1poQ

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        • FridayF
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          Thanks for that info scroogen.. Nice one…

          Tough, heavy and ready! = IRON HEART

          ~Shinici Haraki~

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          • RocknRollR
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            That makes sense, thanks. It's been a long time since organic chemistry at university, so I'm pretty rusty on some of the theory.

            Extrapolating from this it would seem logical that the greater the 'rest' time between dips, the more intense the colour.

            So for maximum indigo colouring, you would go for a lot of dips, with a long rest time between dips.

            Yeah?

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            • GilesG
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              Yes

              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                Fabrics…..

                (l to r) 17oz Cotton Duck, 14oz Double Weave Corduroy, 12oz Wabash Twill, 23oz Serge and 18oz Unsanforized Denim

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                  14.5 oz LHT sample, 21oz standard, SBG, 18oz, 23oz

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                  • einstineE
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                    @MikeC:

                    Fabrics…..

                    (l to r) 17oz Cotton Duck, 14oz Double Weave Corduroy, 12oz Wabash Twill, 23oz Serge and 18oz Unsanforized Denim

                    That self edge belt hook get rusted like that?

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                      MikeC
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                      It's not rusty. It's just dirty and its the reflection from the flash. It was taken inside.

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                      • seanoconoS
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                        I actually think it looks even better with a little natural, silver tarnish on it.

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                        • einstineE
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                          Yea, it deff looks good. Didnt think it would rust like that though, before you told me it was not rusted. Had to ask.

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