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Jcaz6996

Not the day I wanted, crawled to the finish line .
Didn’t feel great from the start , legs were aching which was odd , started having doubts real early , had to stop and walk at 18miles HR was max which was crazy .
Got going again then came the cramps
A lot of walking
Got going again at 20miles then came the stomach pains , literally felt like I was going to crap myself on mile 23 at this point praying for the finish and to find a toilet .
Definitely didn’t have that on the cards today
Trained hard for a 2:56 but on the day managed a 3:16 gutted .. training was there but the carb load didn’t stick .

goosehd

@Jcaz6996 still quite a respectable time. How have you been feeling throughout the week? Any changes in stress levels, disruption in sleep patterns, or dietary changes?

I am constantly amazed at how day to day life can screw up the best laid plans and training.

I have been doing more weight training to build some strength and noticed it has affected my running. Push a little too hard in the weight room one day and run times suffer the next. Not enough sleep and everything suffers…

Dmart

@goosehd mindblowing….

Jord

@Jcaz6996 if it makes you feel any better, I could never imagine doing that in my life... and I would love to, so you're like a superhuman in my eyes!

Not sure if this is your first time running London but congrats either way, you've earned my respect!

Nik

Getting through those blocks takes way more effort than cruising around under 3 @Jcaz6996 so well done on that achievement

Jcaz6996

@goosehd I’ve been feeling good had a solid marathon build with weeks of 80 mile weeks plenty of long run MP workouts, did a 2 week taper . But the carb load got me first time doing that and according to ChatGPT i overloaded my gut so when I started running the blood has been drawn away from digestion to the working muscles because my body was under stress my HR spike within the first 3 mins to 174bpm then adding gels to the mix quickly shifted to cramps and then the stomach issues . When I eventually stopped to walk my HR was 185bpm MAX
Looking through my data I ran on that red line for 1hr 58mins crazy no wonder i felt like crap.
Feeling disappointed all that hard work I put in leading up to the marathon and for it to go like that ..

Dmart

@Jcaz6996 From my experience you really need to train your gut. Gradually. Practice it in training, especially at race pace efforts and train to gut to tolerate carbs. As for the carb load I go around 6-8g carbs/kg bodyweight 48h out to 10g carbs/kg bodyweight 24 hours out. Then again, I train carb loads as well.

goosehd

@Jcaz6996 I know it’s easy to look at what you could have done, but looking at what you did do is impressive as hell. You ran for 2 hours at max hr…the only way you did that is with the training up to that point.

Sounds like you have just about everything figured out and the next race will go much better.

I’m impressed and wish you the best…

dinobarnesberlin

@Jcaz6996 3:16 ?? I mean come on!! even with the cramps, etc. that is really good man.
for most hobby joggers getting a sub 4 would be a dream!

Jcaz6996

@Dmart yeah mate honestly didn’t know what I experienced was a possible outcome, definitely wish I practiced it in the build up.
Doing Valencia marathon in December so definitely not going to make the same mistake

Nik

I've started making my own home-brew of carb/electrolyte drink since most of my runs are over 90 mins now I have to eat on every single run

Jcaz6996

@dinobarnesberlin cheers .. I wasn’t bothered what the time was going to be just that I made it too the end after what I experienced it was by far the most brutal thing I’ve put myself through..

If I just ran and blew up because lack of fitness I would of been disappointed , but I know I’m capable of a a sub 2:56 I’ll give it another go in December Valencia Marathon

Jcaz6996

@Nik a mate of mine did that last year in a marathon build and run with a pack , but now has gone back to gels..

Nik how serious do you do a carb load ? Is that something you practiced beforehand?

Dmart

@Jcaz6996 Valencia is a fast course! Enjoy it

Dmart

@Nik intensity wise you spend the majority in the now called zone 2 I assume, or top end of zone 2? But yeah for 90‘+ I always fuel even when intensity is lower. How does your mix look like? Maltodextrin mainly? Do you never have solid fuel on your long runs ?

Nik

@Jcaz6996 @Dmart i have gotten through 7.5kg of homemade carb/electrolytes that I usually have as around 75 grams of carbs and 500mg sodium per 500ml of water.

My mix is equal parts maltodextrin, dextrose, and fructose with the electrolyte mix added. Blend it up and it dissolves better. Tastes sweet and salty like naked tailwind and costs 1/4 of the price.

For lower intensity stuff that does everything for me. When I do higher intensity stuff I step it up to 100 grams or more per hour, either by increasing the concentration of the mix or adding gels. I don’t eat any solid food running. I prefer it all as just the drink, then I don’t have to fuss with gels. My watch buzzes every mile so I drink then.

I did some weight tests to see how much water I lose running and it is a lot so I can basically drink as much as I want and know I’ll still be in a water deficit. In terms of carb loading outside training I don’t really do that, I know it works well for a lot of people but I think I have a carb heavy diet anyway so I just go with that. It’s interesting how different we all see when it comes to all this stuff. I have a pretty resilient gut and can eat and drink a lot without discomfort or barfing, which I think is actually the single major thing that has meant I do ok at ultras.

Stringthing75

beautiful early morning run today.

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