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We know you love IH, but where do you think we can improve?

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    David K.K. Hansen
    Joined: 12 Nov 2014

    Sorry if I sound daft, but when the seemstresses in Japan are cutting the many sheets of denim into the outlines that will later make up a pair of jeans, aren't they placing the cut based on a template?  And these templates must surely be printed from a computer, to reduce production variation as much as possible?

    Assuming Iron Heart HQ has a computer drawing for all the different cuts of jeans in all the sizes available, it shouldn't be a daunting task for graphic designer to make a vector drawing thingamajig that we all want?

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      Yea, but that would be giving away the whole show, i.e. The propriety info and trade secrets that H and Tom-San have earned through years of work.

      When the Jean is sewn up, it's more of a publicly available asset

      That's just my opinion though. I wouldn't want to give away the blueprints, just the outline of the sewn jeans

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        David K.K. Hansen
        Joined: 12 Nov 2014

        Of course. I didn't write it clearly, but I meant the final outlines of each jean cut, based on the template from IH HQ.

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          Giles
          IHUK Crew
          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

          My offer stands….

          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            JDelage
            啓蒙家
            Joined: 13 Jan 2012

            I find side by side pics most useful. (One doesn't preclude the other.) Ideally it would be a new set of pics with maybe 2 'models', making sure their feet are positioned exactly in the same spot, and that nothing changes wrt the camera.

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              jebbriley
              Raw and Unwashed
              Joined: 11 Feb 2017

              Tableman's ideas is great. Having the visual information aligned consistently makes it easier to compare the varied cuts and silhouettes.

              I'd like to see one model wearing all the jeans, with that model's waist/inseam/thigh measurements listed, as well as the size of the jean being modeled.
              You could go a step further: a model with, a 34 waist could try on a 33, 34, and 35 to give an idea of sizing down, TTS or sizing up.

              Anyone can find out what their own waist measurement is. Knowing what the model measures, and what size they are wearing would give a great reference and save lots of time when deciding on a cut/color/size.

              I dropped a few of the pics into photoshop and aligned them uniformly. Some stuff was cut off as a result.

              Also I overlaid the 634's over the 555's
              555

              666

              634

              overlay

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                jebbriley
                Raw and Unwashed
                Joined: 11 Feb 2017

                Rough, but you get the idea…

                634

                461 over 634

                555 over 634

                666 over 634

                777 over 634

                Beatle Buster over 634

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                  organisys
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 24 Mar 2015

                  I was dubious when I read the thread, but the pics above have convinced me this is a good idea. A picture is worth a thousand words and all that, really helps envisage the cut.

                  Only thing I would add is a dashed outline to the 'slimmer' pair when the overlay is done may help?

                  🙂

                  Pride of Japan :-)

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                    Sam
                    Joined: 21 May 2015

                    Does everyone think it's necessary to have someones legs in the jeans?

                    My initial thought was to have images of a cross section (folded in half) of the jeans laid out next to each other.
                    If all is lined up and all jeans are of the same tag size i think that might be the most straight forward way of doing this.

                    I really like the overlay idea though @jebbriley … i'm thinking it could be a time intensive headache but could be worth doing.

                    Insta - @braveinthefaceoflasers

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                      spitfiredealer
                      Raw and Unwashed
                      Joined: 8 Apr 2013

                      At first i liked the idea of legs being in the jeans, but i think it would mean you getting in all cuts again and wearing the same shoes and doing your best to be in the same position.

                      This is kinda what i had in mind. @Sam

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                        spitfiredealer
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 8 Apr 2013

                        Obviously with all the cuts in a line
                        then under or above we have the side and front shots all in a line.

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                          jebbriley
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          Joined: 11 Feb 2017

                          Images taken from the Japanese IH website. I changed it so the 634s are transparent and outlined in red for reference. The 666's are in front, with the background from the original photos deleted. In the previous images, the 634's were a transparent overlay, which made the whole image a little blurry.

                          I like seeing the jeans flat as well as modeled. They look so different when draped on the human frame.

                          @organisys @Sam

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                            jebbriley
                            Raw and Unwashed
                            Joined: 11 Feb 2017

                            @spitfiredealer I like your method too. Perhaps the overlay is overkill. Having consistency in the pictures and knowing the measurements would be the most helpful thing for me.

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                              spitfiredealer
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 8 Apr 2013

                              Overlay could work, but i think it would have to be something that is programmed into the website.

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                                spitfiredealer
                                Raw and Unwashed
                                Joined: 8 Apr 2013

                                So it is almost like a roll over action @jebbriley

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                                  Giles
                                  IHUK Crew
                                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                  I think we should restrict ourselves to 1 of each family
                                  461
                                  555
                                  634
                                  666
                                  777
                                  Buster
                                  New cut
                                  1955

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    organisys
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 24 Mar 2015

                                    Agree that interactive Browser powered overlays would be overkill.
                                    Just the photos of different cuts over the 634 should work.

                                    Pride of Japan :-)

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                                      spitfiredealer
                                      Raw and Unwashed
                                      Joined: 8 Apr 2013

                                      But what if you aren't interested in a 634 compared with another cut. What if you want to compare 666 & 777?

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                                        Sam
                                        Joined: 21 May 2015

                                        I've knocked something together that made sense to me. Although i realised as i got to the end that i forgot the 461 cut! KNOB! I'll add that tomorrow

                                        But i'm hoping this is visually easy to understand. Also i'm planning on overlaying these so they can be compared easily. Thoughts and feelings? The grid is supposed to use the 634 cut as the guide… is that clear? I didn't do it with the length though because it just looked odd.

                                        Insta - @braveinthefaceoflasers

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                                          jebbriley
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          Joined: 11 Feb 2017

                                          That's handy.

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