White's Boots
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I just spent 2 full nights reading through this thread. Im about to pull the trigger on a pair of boots once i hear back from Kyle at Bakers. My only question though, has anyone noticed a quality difference since the company was sold. Its been about a year now so im hoping someone has a before and after pair to compare.
I was able to try on a pair of Smokejumpers at a local store although their size run was limited, the 10.5EE seemed to fit perfectly. At least in terms of the arch hitting in the right spot and my heel feeling like it was being hugged by the boot. I was very pleased with the fit. I also was able to try on a pair of Wesco pull on boots, the boss model im guessing. I wasnt very pleased with the fit of those at all. Maybe it was just the last but the whites fit way better. Im praying that the boots are of the same quality as the old ones so i dont have to look else where.
I am a bit confused on the sizing though because the only thing I wear a 10.5 or 11 are vans, converse, and nikes. All of my Allen Edmonds, RW, Chips are all 9.5 or 10 E-EEE. Does this sound right? I even have a pair of RW 9111 in a 10D granted the leather is soft and forgiving otherwise i dont think it would have worked at all.
P.S. We need some more pictures of worn in red dog smooth!
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@Authentic04 if you really want to be safe (and what's your hurry at this point?) do a tracing and send it to Kyle. And you've already done the best sizing of all, trying on a pair and liking the fit. The only thing you said that threw me off was Red Wing in 10D vs. 10.5EE in White's. I'd think 1/2 size down or same as Red Wings…
Re: difference between before and after sale, I've only purchased "before" - but I don't think much has changed, it's the same boots on the same lasts being made by the same people in the same factory as far as I've heard. Perhaps someone else has actual experience?
Your first pair is the hardest - I understand you want to get it right - but once you're sized right it's real good. Good luck and be sure to post up some pics after you get your boots.
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You tried them on and they fit perfectly. Don't second guess that with what size you think you should be wearing, based on other brands. Sizes are almost completely arbitrary, not some sort of scientific absolute.
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Thanks guys i appreciate the advise, the only rush now is just getting it actually ordered since it going to take some time for them to be made.
I did tracing according to Bigblackboots advice and it came out to be a 10.5EE. I feel confident with this. Now it just comes down to color choice. Im really into the smooth brown and dress brown but would be into red dog also. Decisions decisions!
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Hi @Authentic04 I would normally advise going down a half to a full size from Red Wings US sizing in White's and that's generally always been spot on. Saying that though if you've tried them on and your foot is snugly secure? And the tracing also has you measured at that size then always go with fit over advice. Just seems unusual, but not unheard of. White's should feel snug in the heel, arch and over the top of the foot when you first get them and then they will give and mould to your foot shape correctly.
No changes except speed of completion since the change of ownership, most boots are ready now on average in 4 weeks, so quicker on average and if anything I think the finish has improved. Could just be my experiece though but no loss of quality in any aspect.
Don't have any RD worn pics but have seen them online and it's nice.
Good luck and enjoy!
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My feet are kind of an anomaly. I used to work for Allen Edmonds so I became pretty good at fitting people and I was never able to fit myself perfectly in their shoes but I've been able to wear anything from a 9D-10E. Most of them being in the 9.5eee range. The kicker is on a brannock device I measure an 11D-E!
I generally fit myself based on where the arch hits. I might try and make a trip up to NYC and try on a few more sizes this coming week.
Or take a vacation to Bakers and be fitted by Kyle himself
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OP, if you are still here… any update on how these look after a couple of years of wear..?
Giles, I know your MIJ Flat Head boots are nice and all, but America would like to raise it's collective middle finger
2012 White's Horse Hide Semi Dress - 2332HH
Toe Cap Leather Color Brown Horse Hide
Sole Commando Mini Lug Half Sole
Size - Length 10
Hardware Brass Eyes & Hooks
Edge Natural
Upper (Shaft) Leather Brown Horse Hide
Midsole Single
Pull Loops Leather Pull Loops
Last Standard
Sole Trim Close Trim
Toe Vamp Leather Brown Horse Hide
Heel Base Standard
Heel Lifts Standard
Size - Width C
Toe Cap Medallion Toe Cap
Celastic Toe Box Single Celastic Toe
Leather Liner Cream -
If I'm a US 7 in Wesco packer last, should I bet a 7 for White's semidress?
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@NorthernVictory - speaking for me only, I have both of those boots, and I wear the same size in both (but I'm sure you will get varying opinions on the comparison of one brand's sizing vs. another). The only thing I would say is a D width in my SD feels just a tad wider/roomier through the instep than a "D" in the Packer - when tied up, the laces pull closer together in the Whites… But both are comfortable and fit well.
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I wear the same size with the Wesco Jobmaster last and both the White's swing last and standard semi-dress last.
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@tod:
OP, if you are still here… any update on how these look after a couple of years of wear..?
Giles, I know your MIJ Flat Head boots are nice and all, but America would like to raise it's collective middle finger
2012 White's Horse Hide Semi Dress - 2332HH
Toe Cap Leather Color Brown Horse Hide
Sole Commando Mini Lug Half Sole
Size - Length 10
Hardware Brass Eyes & Hooks
Edge Natural
Upper (Shaft) Leather Brown Horse Hide
Midsole Single
Pull Loops Leather Pull Loops
Last Standard
Sole Trim Close Trim
Toe Vamp Leather Brown Horse Hide
Heel Base Standard
Heel Lifts Standard
Size - Width C
Toe Cap Medallion Toe Cap
Celastic Toe Box Single Celastic Toe
Leather Liner CreamI may be wrong about this, but i think these boots were ordered by "Denimdestroyedmylife" on superfuture. I havent been on there in years though so i have no idea if he still posts.
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Just wanted to chime in that im currently waiting on a pair of nomads through bakers that i ordered in early november. I know alot of people have been asking about differences in ordering since the company changed hands and thought id share my experiences:
Biggest thing i noticed is that they will not use the white/sand 2021 sole on as many things as they used to. I ordered a pair of whites nomads with the 2021 sole and bakers told me they would have to put the sole on in house, whereas i got a yes at a different dealer but only in the black color.
They will no longer change the height of the nomad or the strap config and i got an "ill check but probably no" on a last change. No two tones whatsoever and no shipping without hardware. No block heel. Basically the only options you can have on nomads now are smooth or cxl and minilug or 700.
I remember them being hesitant on wacky colors for the nomad in the past but most of these are definitely new changes.
It seems like they are pretty much cracking down on options in an attempt to standardize the whole line. I asked about horsehide and cordovan on the semidress and was told these are only through bakers now and if you want them get them soon because they are probably going away altogether.
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Oh hey I just got an email from Kyle telling me that whites has killed the leather liner on nomads now as well. Glad i waited like two months for that. This order may end up going to Wesco….
