These are absolutely amazing jeans.  No need to presoak these right?

Glad to hear it stretches out easily.  Appreciate the feedback.

I will go with a tag size 32, shrink it down a bit with presoak and stretch it out to a 32.5 with wear hopefully.

Does this denim have a lot of stretch to it?

Thanks Giles

My best fitting jeans are a 32 to 33ish waist (depending on when I washed them) and about a 11.75 thigh.

I'm torn whether to order a size 32 or 33.

As I figure the tag size 32 will stretch out to 33 inches in the waist with wear.  Will the thighs stretch back out to pre-soak measurements of 11.9?

Does the 666 stretch back out to pre soak measurements with wear?  If it does it will fit great for me.

I think if I go with 33 it will stretch out too far with wear.

Anyone have any advice?