And I've found the thighs to be fairly similar, I wear my jeans pretty slim so I can't really tell the difference, dunno if that helps at all

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Be sure to use Iron Heart method and not BiG

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See what other measurements,  like thighs for example, fit you best, and base your decision off that

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I highly recommend you do, the denim on these is amazing, assuming it hasn't changed from the first run. These are by far my favorites in rotation…and I remember after the initial soak they were pretty snug around the waist, but my measurements change from 32 to 33 depending on the jean

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Having both, the rise is the biggest difference, I like the shorter rise on the 301s but it just depends. And yea what Anesthetist said, they are stiff as hell starting out and the fades did start to come in fast, but they take a little while to really break in

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@Jeansman:

@thompsoa:

Jesus…4 new pairs of 25oz's, you my friend have taken on quite a challenge.

@madmonday:

jeansman, i salute your knowing what you like & jumping in. . . . but you are crazy, hahahahaha

5 counting the ones I was wearing!

I'm always on a quest for the perfect pair of jeans, and now I've discovered 25 oz, may be I've found them (although I've already suggested a few modifications to Giles!)?

It usually takes a number of years for my jeans to fade, because I have a very large selection and so I don't get to wear each pair for long enough. My most faded pair at present are a pair of Valencia Street 1955 LVCs made in 1996. Luckily I can now wear jeans every day for work. Unless the 666 XHSs loosen up enough to avoid comment, I guess it'll be the 634 XHSs at work which I can alternate to air and not to wash.  When I'm not at work, it'll be the tight 666 25oz. When they're tight I am compelled to go on wearing them to loosen them up!

Damn, breaking in 5 pairs of 25oz's, your legs are gonna give up on you….What else do you/have you had in your rotation on your quest for the perfect pair of jeans?

Jesus…4 new pairs of 25oz's, you my friend have taken on quite a challenge.

Yea, they should be fine, just treat them like any other pair of heavyweight raw denim, a week (or a few) of torture for months upon years of pleasure.

co-sign… those look amazing

@grabby22:

Mine are on the way to me right now and I am trying to decide if I should do a pre-soak or not. I know they're sanforized but did any of you folks pre-soak?

Not necessary, when I washed mine after about a year, they wound up being very close to their original measurements