Hello all.  I won a almost new pair of 634S-21 on ebay.  Size is 33 and they have been hemmed to 31".  I typically wear jeans stretched to 34" and a 30" inseam works best.  I wore them all day yesterday and the waist was a bit painful but I feel like they did stretch some.  I soaked them last night and then stretched them over a 17" hanger - it was very thick plastic but by this morning it seemed slightly warped so I think the jeans are winning.  I like jeans a bit loose but these are maybe too baggy in the thighs so the 666 may be a better option for me?  The thickness and stiffness of the denim is extreme - I'm having a tough time imagining these ever getting broken in.  They seem to be an incredibly high quality product but gonna take a lot of effort to get them to be the favorite pair.