@Tago-Mago thank you, i will do that.

once i have the waist measurement from the 21 oz, what should i compare that to?

the listed duck waist measurements, but with 0.5" of stretch added to that figure?

@chbronsonx thanks, that's helpful. do you find it to be comfortable after 4-5 years?

any advice for those of us considering this, versus the SBG version?

having trouble deciding.

i like the red W on the SBG version, but have been looking for something that stays crispy black for a while.

@Tago-Mago thank you, i will do that.

once i have the waist measurement from the 21 oz, what should i compare that to?

the listed duck waist measurements, but with 0.5" of stretch added to that figure?

i wear a 33 in the 888 21 oz flagship indigo. fits great.

been wanting these for a while, and was able to find these in a 32 or a 34 (but not a 33).

i read this thread and it seems like folks say there is little to no stretch, so i might be ok with a 34. sounds like a 32 would be too tight.

any recommendations?

@Autorotate thank you for the heads up re: BlackBlue. Have been looking for a 33 for what seems like months.