@Chris:

Well, they're sanforized, so you shouldn't get much shrinkage at all; maybe .5" or so is about the standard.  To cut down on the stretching in the waist, you should wear a belt.  Even if they aren't tight, they'll stretch some in the waist simply from movement.  No way around that, really.  I'm not intimately familiar with the SBG denim, so I can't give you any more specific info, sorry.

well thats a good start anyway! thanks man.
I may end up just ordering the size down and just comparing when i have both in my hands.

hey guys,

i just picked up a pair of these, fit is pretty damn perfect when i try them on.
Only thing is, the waist is where i want it to be now (theres a tiny bit of room).. im worried after they stretch.

Should i soak these before wearing? how much do you think they'll shrink? and then stretch back out again?

i'm hesitant to ever wash or soak my denim, as im 6'7 and i cant afford to lose any length!

anyone who has a pair out there, what's your experience with the stretching? especially if they're not skin tight to begin with.

thanks!