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    • Sugar MountainS
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      A little more info… Toys McCoy is run by Hiroshi Okamoto (the guy on the right in the pic below). He split with the McCoys that came to be owned by Hitoshi Tsujimoto of NYLON in the 1990s as I understand it. Toys McCoy sub brands include McHill, the Steve McQueen line and Buco.

      And an interesting blog entry:

      The McCoys at this point were perhaps the most relevant vintage replica company anywhere in the world. There were others however that sat on the peripherals that were equally proficient like Pherrows and Buzz Rickson and even the original conception of Evis produced some amazingly beautiful garments. These companies were everything that I came to associate with integrity and authenticity and for many years I was a die hard customer. Sometime during the 2000's I began to feel uneasy about many of these Japanese companies and the direction that they were taking or not taking as the case may have been. The McCoys underwent a strange break up of partnerships that is forever difficult to understand unless you are an insider and rumours ran amok that the president had squandered the profits on ridiculous things including a B-17 bomber. As it happened a new Real McCoys / Toys McCoys emerged but it was different with Hiroshi Okamoto at the helm gone was the feeling of ultra authenticity and stripped down military utilitarianism and what replaced it was an air of safeness, a cutesy world of Disney characters and the over exploited Felix the Cat icon that smacked of the same Japanese-ness that exploits Hello Kitty or Captain Santa, essentially I felt the Real McCoys had become the Cockpit, over indulgent, over detailed and overpriced.

      http://papanuisays.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/critiquing-market-lets-be-honest.html

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      • FlashF
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        Interesting read , thanks mate

        FS  FT.IHSW04 size s , samurai loopwheeled tee ,fullcount flannel      http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3997.0

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        • Sugar MountainS
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          Mh sai mh goy la!

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            beautiful_FrEaK
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            Looking at the Real McCoys HP, there is a section for Buco. So I think Buco belongs to RMC. Just like Joe McCoy too

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            • Sugar MountainS
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              I think Toys makes Buco helmets only and all else is manufactured by RM:

              http://toys-mccoy.shop-pro.jp/?mode=grp&gid=78671

              preeetty confusing…

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              • Jordan23J
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                AFAIK the Felix-The-Cat-Series is produced by Toys!

                Enjoy ya addiction!

                AE

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                  interesting read.. thanx ..

                  –-
                  jai guru neva om

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                  • hassinatorH
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                    @Sugar:

                    A little more info… Toys McCoy is run by Hiroshi Okamoto (the guy on the right in the pic below). He split with the McCoys that came to be owned by Hitoshi Tsujimoto of NYLON in the 1990s as I understand it. Toys McCoy sub brands include McHill, the Steve McQueen line and Buco.

                    The McCoys underwent a strange break up of partnerships that is forever difficult to understand unless you are an insider and rumours ran amok that the president had squandered the profits on ridiculous things including a B-17 bomber. As it happened a new Real McCoys / Toys McCoys emerged but it was different with Hiroshi Okamoto at the helm gone was the feeling of ultra authenticity and stripped down military utilitarianism and what replaced it was an air of safeness, a cutesy world of Disney characters and the over exploited Felix the Cat icon that smacked of the same Japanese-ness that exploits Hello Kitty or Captain Santa, essentially I felt the Real McCoys had become the Cockpit, over indulgent, over detailed and overpriced.

                    http://papanuisays.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/critiquing-market-lets-be-honest.html

                    interesting post and i would have to love a president that could get hold of a b-17 but looking at hiroshi's own commercial/film here three of the first four jackets have bugs bunny; tasmanian devil and felix the cat as their main logos!

                    http://www.collezione-giappone.com/buco/info/info.php

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                    • TakeshiT
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                      where can I pick one of these up ?

                      You only live once , if done properly then once is enough

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                        is that real mccoys? If so check blue in green nyc
                        I can't tell though it looks just like a buzz rickson in which case self edge has them

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                        • TakeshiT
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                          cheers , blue in green seem sold out , will check Buzz as they are very similar ..

                          You only live once , if done properly then once is enough

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                          • natehateN
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                            if you going with a buzz and are in the states go direct
                            http://www.historypreservation.com/hpassociates/index2.php

                            don't you know there ain't no devil? only god when he's drunk!

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                            • Sugar MountainS
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                              @hassinator:

                              interesting post and i would have to love a president that could get hold of a b-17 but looking at hiroshi's own commercial/film here three of the first four jackets have bugs bunny; tasmanian devil and felix the cat as their main logos!

                              http://www.collezione-giappone.com/buco/info/info.php

                              I'm surprise no one else mentioned the B-17. If it's true, it's bloody amazing!

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                              • hassinatorH
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                                @Takeshi:

                                where can I pick one of these up ?

                                they have just had a restock at superdenim

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                                • TakeshiT
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                                  cheers , just bought one ..

                                  You only live once , if done properly then once is enough

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                                  • hassinatorH
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                                    double diamond chinos arrived when i was away in chamonix.  they are lovely but a very roomy 34" so currently on their first wash to see if we can knock them into shape.  in terms of buying mccoy legwear should i just treat the sizing as the same as US jeans brands?  with the shirts; jackets and sweats i size up to large or 16" collar as opposed to 15" brooks brothers.

                                    i wonder what sartre would have had to say about japanese medium? 😉

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                                      The 3 pairs of pants I've had all shrank to tagged size after a few washes, so if they look baggy when trying on new , they wont stay that way.

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                                      • hassinatorH
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                                        @ArnoldLayne:

                                        The 3 pairs of pants I've had all shrank to tagged size after a few washes, so if they look baggy when trying on new , they wont stay that way.

                                        truth be told.  i have an actual 35" waist but 34" double diamond chinos were lose as a goose when i first received.

                                        two washes in they are superb.  perfect drape across my batty and while initially seemed lose around the calf its a size readjustment after two years of super narrow fit.  excellent fabric with a glorious texture that has already started to show off now its had a wash.

                                        has anyone else being taking advantage of the japanese exchange rate in the UK?  ratkuten currently offering better than 50% off mccoy and rickson if you shop direct with japan.

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                                        • Shanks59S
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                                          50% .. Can you post an example please …

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                                          • hassinatorH
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                                            @Shanks59:

                                            50% .. Can you post an example please …

                                            look at superdenim in the UK and marvel at the mccoy oxford in white for £225 then got to rakuten vintage paradise and find the same shirt for under £120.  come on big man google is your friend.

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