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      As you know, healthcare reform in the US has PASSED the House of Representatives vote ! (It's a done deal basically). Today is a jubilant day for mankind – for all of mankind -- not just Americans. Go ahead and increase my taxes ! I LOVE YOU, PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA !

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        If it matters, I never have to worry about great health care because I have a great job which offers private, high-end healthcare, at very little cost to me. But there are too many downtrodden, hopeless Americans who have had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills…I can go on and on. Life has been cruel to them and this has got to stop. Barack Omama evokes tears in me (and that happens rarely), because he is a model citizen for having boundless compassion -- hope and compassion for those who are far less fortunate, have no hope, have nowhere to turn. What an amazing man Barack Obama is !

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          @shubharamani:

          If it matters, I never have to worry about great health care because I have a great job which offers private, high-end healthcare, at very little cost to me. But there are too many downtrodden, hopeless Americans who have had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills…I can go on and on. Life has been cruel to them and this has got to stop. Barack Omama evokes tears in me (and that happens rarely), because he is a model citizen for having boundless compassion -- hope and compassion for those who are far less fortunate, have no hope, have nowhere to turn. What an amazing man Barack Obama is !

          +1 to those who are less fortunate.

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            That is such good fucking news. Apparently there still ís hope for you Yanks!..  😉

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              ^ until education is tackled "hope" is put on hold. no future without educated young'ns. cuts hit edu HARD… = not good.

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                Congrats G!!!!!!!! And yes Seul, there just might be hope for us yet.

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                  @deadendpro:

                  ^ until education is tackled "hope" is put on hold. no future without educated young'ns. cuts hit edu HARD… = not good.

                  You totally got it, dep! Education is the next big deal. But the situation in health was so dire it needed attention first. Also health is easier to turn around and see effects sooner than education. He said he wanted to work on that. We'll see.

                  Fact is that the greatest asset of a country are its people. If the people are in good health and well educated, they can be efficient members of that society who produce a surplus and make sound decisions. If they are sick and stupid they will cost society more money than we could ever invest in healthcare and education.

                  What disturbs me is that some states have already announced they want to go to the Supreme Court against this. Yeah, like having healthy citizens is against the constitution. 😞

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                    yeah tfar the attorney general has filed a lawsuit against the bill….not cool.

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                      yeah tfar the attorney general has filed a lawsuit against the bill….not cool.

                      You mean the Texan attorney general? I hope not the US AG who was put there by Obama…

                      Till

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                        Virginia's AG.  Along with a number of other states.

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                          Virginia, how ironic! I read it was ten states. The coverage of the subject is better on the German news site than on CNN, fwiw. At least one can say that the Republicans mount a really strong opposition. If they changed the electoral system to one where every vote actually counted and counted the same, the situation would look different. If India can do it, why not the US?

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                            too many dum dums in the U.S.

                            HA HA HA ! You are right Simon-LA !

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                              well - if u look at the members of the Supreme court - and who put them there - u´ll get the picture…Supreme court also allowed for corporate money to be used for political campaigns - those guys are so ready for retirement.

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                                LOL..I believe this goes for every country..

                                btw - Simon - ur bandanna is almost out the door..3 to go ***

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                                  They used to require tests before allowing people to vote. That happened right after Slavery… I don't think that's a very good idea. The system is fine as is. Its just essentially the people who need to adjust their ways. Prohibiting people from voting is completely un-american, and that would include voting tests.

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                                    ur right , Simon , in an ideal world people would try to gather as much information as possible before making a decision. But that´s just not gonna happen. Sad - but true.

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                                      K - were you able to finish those leftovers or did u need Diesels help ? xo

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                                        haha, i'm ready to give it away (:

                                        I think they should be required to vote. Most of the people don't even REALLY know that the presidential candidates are specifically supporting. So many times people vote on a general idea of what candidates support, and generally speaking, all the candidates are very similar with slight differences. It's when you get specific that candidates finally seem a world apart.

                                        You shouldn't be a chef if you don't know how to cook.

                                        You shouldn't vote if you don't REALLY know what you're voting for.

                                        You're absolutely right. They should not be forced to take a test but they should be forced to take a lesson. Speakout.org had a really great device for that online. It would ask you a series of around three dozen political questions from all categories. Basically it would pose the problem and then give answer options. Each problem could be clicked on and it would expand to give you background info and reading on it. And even each answer could be expanded to tell you what it actually means if you answer this. So it was easy enough to just breeze through but also in-depth enough and thorough. When you got through the questions it would tell you which candidate was most in line with your line of thinking.

                                        You'd get clear numbers, e.g. Clinton agrees with you on 24/36 but Obama agrees with you on 31 of 36. Then it would detail each response for each candidate and show you their voting record on the issue and also some quotes what they have said on that issue.

                                        It takes 30-60 minutes to do. Should be required. Really.

                                        Even well informed and intelligent people are usually not completely up to speed on all issues. So you might know that candidate A is really favoring your top three issues but maybe he is totally against your secondary issues. It happened even to my mom. She wanted to vote CDU (which she had never done). In Germany that's center right. In the US that would be center left (more left than democrats). I told her that if she does that, she will vote also for certain things she really doesn't like. I made her take the equivalent test from a German news site. It showed that she was much more of an FDP profile than a CDU profile and that even the Green party and the SPD were ranking as high as the CDU if not higher. She was impressed and thanked me for saving her from voting for the wrong party.

                                        So, yeah, being informed is super important. Which brings us back to the education thing. 😉

                                        Till

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                                          Simon626, my Ande Whalls are still sitting at customs, when they are delivered I will post some pics for you.

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                                            Simon626….In case you missed my post....at least I know my jeans exist...
                                            http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?p=2199947#post2199947

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